Conflicting names of ancestor's parents from different records?
Winnifred Lydia O'Brien
1896–1979
BIRTH 30 OCT 1896 • Stroud, Gloucestershire, England
DEATH 28 NOV 1979 • New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
I believe I have found my great-grandmother in the 1926 census of the prairie provinces.
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1926/Pages/item.aspx?itemid=890822
Line 6 in the image.
She was also found in the death index:
Winifred Lydia Fowler, "British Columbia Death Registrations, 1872-1986; 1992-1993"
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FL1S-HQZ
As well as in the 1901 England census:
https://www.ancestry.ca/sharing/16091326?h=e6067d&o_xid=61785&o_lid=61785&o_sch=Email+Programs
https://www.ancestry.ca/sharing/16091335?h=4da97d&o_xid=61785&o_lid=61785&o_sch=Email+Programs
However, the names of her parents keeps changing in the records.
On her death cert it says Edward O’Brien of Ireland was her father with an unknown mother.
On the 1901 census it says her mother is Norah O’Brien and the head of the household is Edward Goode but it doesn’t say what relation he has to her.
I found a marriage cert that has a marriage between Norah O’Brien and George Edward Goode.
I guess it could be that she didn't take her husband's last name. 
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Winnifred Lydia O'Brien
1896–1979
BIRTH 30 OCT 1896 • Stroud, Gloucestershire, England
DEATH 28 NOV 1979 • New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
I believe I have found my great-grandmother in the 1926 census of the prairie provinces.
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1926/Pages/item.aspx?itemid=890822
Line 6 in the image.
She was also found in the death index:
Winifred Lydia Fowler, "British Columbia Death Registrations, 1872-1986; 1992-1993"
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FL1S-HQZ
As well as in the 1901 England census:
https://www.ancestry.ca/sharing/16091326?h=e6067d&o_xid=61785&o_lid=61785&o_sch=Email+Programs
https://www.ancestry.ca/sharing/16091335?h=4da97d&o_xid=61785&o_lid=61785&o_sch=Email+Programs
However, the names of her parents keeps changing in the records.
On her death cert it says Edward O’Brien of Ireland was her father with an unknown mother.
On the 1901 census it says her mother is Norah O’Brien and the head of the household is Edward Goode but it doesn’t say what relation he has to her.
I found a marriage cert that has a marriage between Norah O’Brien and George Edward Goode.
I guess it could be that she didn't take her husband's last name.
england marriage-records surnames vital-records canada
edited Mar 20 at 22:09
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The marriage is after the census, so not likely to see name changes before then for anyone. Names on death certificates are always suspicious because the most informed person isn't there. Surnames of children born before their parents marriage are always problematic in England - sometimes they changed, sometimes not.
– AdrianB38
Mar 20 at 15:18
Am I right in saying that the only real oddity is the death certificate, which isn't that odd....?
– AdrianB38
Mar 20 at 15:20
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Winnifred Lydia O'Brien
1896–1979
BIRTH 30 OCT 1896 • Stroud, Gloucestershire, England
DEATH 28 NOV 1979 • New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
I believe I have found my great-grandmother in the 1926 census of the prairie provinces.
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1926/Pages/item.aspx?itemid=890822
Line 6 in the image.
She was also found in the death index:
Winifred Lydia Fowler, "British Columbia Death Registrations, 1872-1986; 1992-1993"
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FL1S-HQZ
As well as in the 1901 England census:
https://www.ancestry.ca/sharing/16091326?h=e6067d&o_xid=61785&o_lid=61785&o_sch=Email+Programs
https://www.ancestry.ca/sharing/16091335?h=4da97d&o_xid=61785&o_lid=61785&o_sch=Email+Programs
However, the names of her parents keeps changing in the records.
On her death cert it says Edward O’Brien of Ireland was her father with an unknown mother.
On the 1901 census it says her mother is Norah O’Brien and the head of the household is Edward Goode but it doesn’t say what relation he has to her.
I found a marriage cert that has a marriage between Norah O’Brien and George Edward Goode.
I guess it could be that she didn't take her husband's last name.
england marriage-records surnames vital-records canada
edited Mar 20 at 22:09
PolyGeo♦
6,96152049
asked Mar 20 at 14:53
user1261710user1261710
1664
Winnifred Lydia O'Brien
1896–1979
BIRTH 30 OCT 1896 • Stroud, Gloucestershire, England
DEATH 28 NOV 1979 • New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
I believe I have found my great-grandmother in the 1926 census of the prairie provinces.
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1926/Pages/item.aspx?itemid=890822
Line 6 in the image.
She was also found in the death index:
Winifred Lydia Fowler, "British Columbia Death Registrations, 1872-1986; 1992-1993"
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FL1S-HQZ
As well as in the 1901 England census:
https://www.ancestry.ca/sharing/16091326?h=e6067d&o_xid=61785&o_lid=61785&o_sch=Email+Programs
https://www.ancestry.ca/sharing/16091335?h=4da97d&o_xid=61785&o_lid=61785&o_sch=Email+Programs
However, the names of her parents keeps changing in the records.
On her death cert it says Edward O’Brien of Ireland was her father with an unknown mother.
On the 1901 census it says her mother is Norah O’Brien and the head of the household is Edward Goode but it doesn’t say what relation he has to her.
I found a marriage cert that has a marriage between Norah O’Brien and George Edward Goode.
I guess it could be that she didn't take her husband's last name.
england marriage-records surnames vital-records canada
england marriage-records surnames vital-records canada
edited Mar 20 at 22:09
PolyGeo♦
6,96152049
asked Mar 20 at 14:53
user1261710user1261710
1664
edited Mar 20 at 22:09
PolyGeo♦
6,96152049
asked Mar 20 at 14:53
user1261710user1261710
1664
edited Mar 20 at 22:09
PolyGeo♦
6,96152049
edited Mar 20 at 22:09
PolyGeo♦
6,96152049
edited Mar 20 at 22:09
PolyGeo♦
6,96152049
6,96152049
asked Mar 20 at 14:53
user1261710user1261710
1664
asked Mar 20 at 14:53
user1261710user1261710
1664
asked Mar 20 at 14:53
user1261710user1261710
1664
1664
3
The marriage is after the census, so not likely to see name changes before then for anyone. Names on death certificates are always suspicious because the most informed person isn't there. Surnames of children born before their parents marriage are always problematic in England - sometimes they changed, sometimes not.
– AdrianB38
Mar 20 at 15:18
Am I right in saying that the only real oddity is the death certificate, which isn't that odd....?
– AdrianB38
Mar 20 at 15:20
add a comment |
3
The marriage is after the census, so not likely to see name changes before then for anyone. Names on death certificates are always suspicious because the most informed person isn't there. Surnames of children born before their parents marriage are always problematic in England - sometimes they changed, sometimes not.
– AdrianB38
Mar 20 at 15:18
Am I right in saying that the only real oddity is the death certificate, which isn't that odd....?
– AdrianB38
Mar 20 at 15:20
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The marriage is after the census, so not likely to see name changes before then for anyone. Names on death certificates are always suspicious because the most informed person isn't there. Surnames of children born before their parents marriage are always problematic in England - sometimes they changed, sometimes not.
– AdrianB38
Mar 20 at 15:18
The marriage is after the census, so not likely to see name changes before then for anyone. Names on death certificates are always suspicious because the most informed person isn't there. Surnames of children born before their parents marriage are always problematic in England - sometimes they changed, sometimes not.
– AdrianB38
Mar 20 at 15:18
Am I right in saying that the only real oddity is the death certificate, which isn't that odd....?
– AdrianB38
Mar 20 at 15:20
Am I right in saying that the only real oddity is the death certificate, which isn't that odd....?
– AdrianB38
Mar 20 at 15:20
add a comment |
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I suggest you obtain a copy of Winifred's birth certificate. It can be ordered from the GRO website.
In the New GRO index, here is her entry:
As you can see, the Mother's maiden surname is given as a dash, indicating she was very likely illegitimate.
The most likely explanation is that Winifred's mother was unmarried when Winifred was born. Whether Edward Goode was her biological father is impossible to say without further evidence.
As you say, Norah appears to have married George Edward Goode in December 1901 (remember the census was taken in March 1901, before they were married).
The 1911 census does not help much although it shows Winifred O'Brien with her mother Norah Goode and several O'Brien and Goode siblings. Her stepfather is not there at that time. (see reference RG 14/15370, schedule 99)
DNA testing can be useful to sort out paternity in some cases where there is a recent illegitimacy.
answered Mar 20 at 15:22
Harry Vervet♦Harry Vervet
14.3k42583
Good point that EG might not be her biological father. It's not unknown for so-called fathers' names to be step-fathers'. Certainly in the UK there are a lot less rules about these things than you might imagine and even fewer requirements for proof! Who people trace in their tree is, of course, up to them.
– AdrianB38
Mar 20 at 17:56
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I suggest you obtain a copy of Winifred's birth certificate. It can be ordered from the GRO website.
In the New GRO index, here is her entry:
As you can see, the Mother's maiden surname is given as a dash, indicating she was very likely illegitimate.
The most likely explanation is that Winifred's mother was unmarried when Winifred was born. Whether Edward Goode was her biological father is impossible to say without further evidence.
As you say, Norah appears to have married George Edward Goode in December 1901 (remember the census was taken in March 1901, before they were married).
The 1911 census does not help much although it shows Winifred O'Brien with her mother Norah Goode and several O'Brien and Goode siblings. Her stepfather is not there at that time. (see reference RG 14/15370, schedule 99)
DNA testing can be useful to sort out paternity in some cases where there is a recent illegitimacy.
answered Mar 20 at 15:22
Harry Vervet♦Harry Vervet
14.3k42583
Good point that EG might not be her biological father. It's not unknown for so-called fathers' names to be step-fathers'. Certainly in the UK there are a lot less rules about these things than you might imagine and even fewer requirements for proof! Who people trace in their tree is, of course, up to them.
– AdrianB38
Mar 20 at 17:56
add a comment |
I suggest you obtain a copy of Winifred's birth certificate. It can be ordered from the GRO website.
In the New GRO index, here is her entry:
As you can see, the Mother's maiden surname is given as a dash, indicating she was very likely illegitimate.
The most likely explanation is that Winifred's mother was unmarried when Winifred was born. Whether Edward Goode was her biological father is impossible to say without further evidence.
As you say, Norah appears to have married George Edward Goode in December 1901 (remember the census was taken in March 1901, before they were married).
The 1911 census does not help much although it shows Winifred O'Brien with her mother Norah Goode and several O'Brien and Goode siblings. Her stepfather is not there at that time. (see reference RG 14/15370, schedule 99)
DNA testing can be useful to sort out paternity in some cases where there is a recent illegitimacy.
answered Mar 20 at 15:22
Harry Vervet♦Harry Vervet
14.3k42583
Good point that EG might not be her biological father. It's not unknown for so-called fathers' names to be step-fathers'. Certainly in the UK there are a lot less rules about these things than you might imagine and even fewer requirements for proof! Who people trace in their tree is, of course, up to them.
– AdrianB38
Mar 20 at 17:56
add a comment |
I suggest you obtain a copy of Winifred's birth certificate. It can be ordered from the GRO website.
In the New GRO index, here is her entry:
As you can see, the Mother's maiden surname is given as a dash, indicating she was very likely illegitimate.
The most likely explanation is that Winifred's mother was unmarried when Winifred was born. Whether Edward Goode was her biological father is impossible to say without further evidence.
As you say, Norah appears to have married George Edward Goode in December 1901 (remember the census was taken in March 1901, before they were married).
The 1911 census does not help much although it shows Winifred O'Brien with her mother Norah Goode and several O'Brien and Goode siblings. Her stepfather is not there at that time. (see reference RG 14/15370, schedule 99)
DNA testing can be useful to sort out paternity in some cases where there is a recent illegitimacy.
answered Mar 20 at 15:22
Harry Vervet♦Harry Vervet
14.3k42583
I suggest you obtain a copy of Winifred's birth certificate. It can be ordered from the GRO website.
In the New GRO index, here is her entry:
As you can see, the Mother's maiden surname is given as a dash, indicating she was very likely illegitimate.
The most likely explanation is that Winifred's mother was unmarried when Winifred was born. Whether Edward Goode was her biological father is impossible to say without further evidence.
As you say, Norah appears to have married George Edward Goode in December 1901 (remember the census was taken in March 1901, before they were married).
The 1911 census does not help much although it shows Winifred O'Brien with her mother Norah Goode and several O'Brien and Goode siblings. Her stepfather is not there at that time. (see reference RG 14/15370, schedule 99)
DNA testing can be useful to sort out paternity in some cases where there is a recent illegitimacy.
answered Mar 20 at 15:22
Harry Vervet♦Harry Vervet
14.3k42583
answered Mar 20 at 15:22
Harry Vervet♦Harry Vervet
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answered Mar 20 at 15:22
Harry Vervet♦Harry Vervet
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answered Mar 20 at 15:22
Harry Vervet♦Harry Vervet
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Good point that EG might not be her biological father. It's not unknown for so-called fathers' names to be step-fathers'. Certainly in the UK there are a lot less rules about these things than you might imagine and even fewer requirements for proof! Who people trace in their tree is, of course, up to them.
– AdrianB38
Mar 20 at 17:56
add a comment |
Good point that EG might not be her biological father. It's not unknown for so-called fathers' names to be step-fathers'. Certainly in the UK there are a lot less rules about these things than you might imagine and even fewer requirements for proof! Who people trace in their tree is, of course, up to them.
– AdrianB38
Mar 20 at 17:56
Good point that EG might not be her biological father. It's not unknown for so-called fathers' names to be step-fathers'. Certainly in the UK there are a lot less rules about these things than you might imagine and even fewer requirements for proof! Who people trace in their tree is, of course, up to them.
– AdrianB38
Mar 20 at 17:56
Good point that EG might not be her biological father. It's not unknown for so-called fathers' names to be step-fathers'. Certainly in the UK there are a lot less rules about these things than you might imagine and even fewer requirements for proof! Who people trace in their tree is, of course, up to them.
– AdrianB38
Mar 20 at 17:56
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The marriage is after the census, so not likely to see name changes before then for anyone. Names on death certificates are always suspicious because the most informed person isn't there. Surnames of children born before their parents marriage are always problematic in England - sometimes they changed, sometimes not.
– AdrianB38
Mar 20 at 15:18
Am I right in saying that the only real oddity is the death certificate, which isn't that odd....?
– AdrianB38
Mar 20 at 15:20