Why does the $theta (1-theta)(f(y)-f(x))(g(x)-g(y)) le 0 $ means both f and g are increasing or decreasing?











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I don't understand why does the $theta (1-theta)(f(y)-f(x))(g(x)-g(y)) le 0 $ means both f and g are increasing or decreasing,can anyone take an example?



By the way,the solution said that $theta (1-theta)(f(y)-f(x))(g(x)-g(y)) le 0 $ means both f and g are increasing or decreasing,however,in the last formula,it just let $theta (1-theta)(f(y)-f(x))(g(x)-g(y)) = 0 $,why? Is't it $le 0$,not just $=0$ ?










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  • That's not what the question is saying. It's saying that IF $f$ and $g$ are both increasing or both decreasing, THEN that term is less than or equal to zero.
    – Michael Grant
    Nov 14 at 3:56










  • Walter rudin mathematical analysis. problem 23 page no. 101.
    – John Nash
    Nov 14 at 4:25















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I don't understand why does the $theta (1-theta)(f(y)-f(x))(g(x)-g(y)) le 0 $ means both f and g are increasing or decreasing,can anyone take an example?



By the way,the solution said that $theta (1-theta)(f(y)-f(x))(g(x)-g(y)) le 0 $ means both f and g are increasing or decreasing,however,in the last formula,it just let $theta (1-theta)(f(y)-f(x))(g(x)-g(y)) = 0 $,why? Is't it $le 0$,not just $=0$ ?










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  • That's not what the question is saying. It's saying that IF $f$ and $g$ are both increasing or both decreasing, THEN that term is less than or equal to zero.
    – Michael Grant
    Nov 14 at 3:56










  • Walter rudin mathematical analysis. problem 23 page no. 101.
    – John Nash
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I don't understand why does the $theta (1-theta)(f(y)-f(x))(g(x)-g(y)) le 0 $ means both f and g are increasing or decreasing,can anyone take an example?



By the way,the solution said that $theta (1-theta)(f(y)-f(x))(g(x)-g(y)) le 0 $ means both f and g are increasing or decreasing,however,in the last formula,it just let $theta (1-theta)(f(y)-f(x))(g(x)-g(y)) = 0 $,why? Is't it $le 0$,not just $=0$ ?










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I don't understand why does the $theta (1-theta)(f(y)-f(x))(g(x)-g(y)) le 0 $ means both f and g are increasing or decreasing,can anyone take an example?



By the way,the solution said that $theta (1-theta)(f(y)-f(x))(g(x)-g(y)) le 0 $ means both f and g are increasing or decreasing,however,in the last formula,it just let $theta (1-theta)(f(y)-f(x))(g(x)-g(y)) = 0 $,why? Is't it $le 0$,not just $=0$ ?







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  • That's not what the question is saying. It's saying that IF $f$ and $g$ are both increasing or both decreasing, THEN that term is less than or equal to zero.
    – Michael Grant
    Nov 14 at 3:56










  • Walter rudin mathematical analysis. problem 23 page no. 101.
    – John Nash
    Nov 14 at 4:25


















  • That's not what the question is saying. It's saying that IF $f$ and $g$ are both increasing or both decreasing, THEN that term is less than or equal to zero.
    – Michael Grant
    Nov 14 at 3:56










  • Walter rudin mathematical analysis. problem 23 page no. 101.
    – John Nash
    Nov 14 at 4:25
















That's not what the question is saying. It's saying that IF $f$ and $g$ are both increasing or both decreasing, THEN that term is less than or equal to zero.
– Michael Grant
Nov 14 at 3:56




That's not what the question is saying. It's saying that IF $f$ and $g$ are both increasing or both decreasing, THEN that term is less than or equal to zero.
– Michael Grant
Nov 14 at 3:56












Walter rudin mathematical analysis. problem 23 page no. 101.
– John Nash
Nov 14 at 4:25




Walter rudin mathematical analysis. problem 23 page no. 101.
– John Nash
Nov 14 at 4:25










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Your interpretation of the logic is not quite right. It is saying that IF $f$ and $g$ are both increasing or both decreasing, THEN the third term is non-positive. Your interpretation is the converse statement: IF the third term is non-positive, THEN $f$ and $g$ are both increasing or both decreasing. In general, a statement is not logically equivalent to its converse.



Notice then that the correct interpretation certainly holds: If $f$ and $g$ are both increasing or both dcreasing, then $f(y)-f(x)$ and $g(x)-g(y)$ will have different signs, and since $0 le theta le 1$, we have $theta(1-theta) ge 0$. Hence
$$theta(1-theta)(f(y)-f(x))(g(x)-g(y)) le 0.$$



As for the final conclusion, I'm going to assume that we are given information in the problem statement that allows us to say $f$ and $g$ are both increasing or both decreasing. Then by the previous remarks, we have an inequality of the form
$$f(theta x + (1-theta)y)g(theta x + (1-theta)y) le A + B + C,$$
where $C le 0$. In the last step we aren't claiming $C = 0$, we are simply observing that adding nothing gives a bigger number than adding a non-positive number, so if we throw out the $C$ we still have an inequality.






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    Your interpretation of the logic is not quite right. It is saying that IF $f$ and $g$ are both increasing or both decreasing, THEN the third term is non-positive. Your interpretation is the converse statement: IF the third term is non-positive, THEN $f$ and $g$ are both increasing or both decreasing. In general, a statement is not logically equivalent to its converse.



    Notice then that the correct interpretation certainly holds: If $f$ and $g$ are both increasing or both dcreasing, then $f(y)-f(x)$ and $g(x)-g(y)$ will have different signs, and since $0 le theta le 1$, we have $theta(1-theta) ge 0$. Hence
    $$theta(1-theta)(f(y)-f(x))(g(x)-g(y)) le 0.$$



    As for the final conclusion, I'm going to assume that we are given information in the problem statement that allows us to say $f$ and $g$ are both increasing or both decreasing. Then by the previous remarks, we have an inequality of the form
    $$f(theta x + (1-theta)y)g(theta x + (1-theta)y) le A + B + C,$$
    where $C le 0$. In the last step we aren't claiming $C = 0$, we are simply observing that adding nothing gives a bigger number than adding a non-positive number, so if we throw out the $C$ we still have an inequality.






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      Your interpretation of the logic is not quite right. It is saying that IF $f$ and $g$ are both increasing or both decreasing, THEN the third term is non-positive. Your interpretation is the converse statement: IF the third term is non-positive, THEN $f$ and $g$ are both increasing or both decreasing. In general, a statement is not logically equivalent to its converse.



      Notice then that the correct interpretation certainly holds: If $f$ and $g$ are both increasing or both dcreasing, then $f(y)-f(x)$ and $g(x)-g(y)$ will have different signs, and since $0 le theta le 1$, we have $theta(1-theta) ge 0$. Hence
      $$theta(1-theta)(f(y)-f(x))(g(x)-g(y)) le 0.$$



      As for the final conclusion, I'm going to assume that we are given information in the problem statement that allows us to say $f$ and $g$ are both increasing or both decreasing. Then by the previous remarks, we have an inequality of the form
      $$f(theta x + (1-theta)y)g(theta x + (1-theta)y) le A + B + C,$$
      where $C le 0$. In the last step we aren't claiming $C = 0$, we are simply observing that adding nothing gives a bigger number than adding a non-positive number, so if we throw out the $C$ we still have an inequality.






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        Your interpretation of the logic is not quite right. It is saying that IF $f$ and $g$ are both increasing or both decreasing, THEN the third term is non-positive. Your interpretation is the converse statement: IF the third term is non-positive, THEN $f$ and $g$ are both increasing or both decreasing. In general, a statement is not logically equivalent to its converse.



        Notice then that the correct interpretation certainly holds: If $f$ and $g$ are both increasing or both dcreasing, then $f(y)-f(x)$ and $g(x)-g(y)$ will have different signs, and since $0 le theta le 1$, we have $theta(1-theta) ge 0$. Hence
        $$theta(1-theta)(f(y)-f(x))(g(x)-g(y)) le 0.$$



        As for the final conclusion, I'm going to assume that we are given information in the problem statement that allows us to say $f$ and $g$ are both increasing or both decreasing. Then by the previous remarks, we have an inequality of the form
        $$f(theta x + (1-theta)y)g(theta x + (1-theta)y) le A + B + C,$$
        where $C le 0$. In the last step we aren't claiming $C = 0$, we are simply observing that adding nothing gives a bigger number than adding a non-positive number, so if we throw out the $C$ we still have an inequality.






        share|cite|improve this answer














        Your interpretation of the logic is not quite right. It is saying that IF $f$ and $g$ are both increasing or both decreasing, THEN the third term is non-positive. Your interpretation is the converse statement: IF the third term is non-positive, THEN $f$ and $g$ are both increasing or both decreasing. In general, a statement is not logically equivalent to its converse.



        Notice then that the correct interpretation certainly holds: If $f$ and $g$ are both increasing or both dcreasing, then $f(y)-f(x)$ and $g(x)-g(y)$ will have different signs, and since $0 le theta le 1$, we have $theta(1-theta) ge 0$. Hence
        $$theta(1-theta)(f(y)-f(x))(g(x)-g(y)) le 0.$$



        As for the final conclusion, I'm going to assume that we are given information in the problem statement that allows us to say $f$ and $g$ are both increasing or both decreasing. Then by the previous remarks, we have an inequality of the form
        $$f(theta x + (1-theta)y)g(theta x + (1-theta)y) le A + B + C,$$
        where $C le 0$. In the last step we aren't claiming $C = 0$, we are simply observing that adding nothing gives a bigger number than adding a non-positive number, so if we throw out the $C$ we still have an inequality.







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