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Consider the equation $$f(x) =sqrt{x^2 - x + 1}$$



Using python I checked x for $$ -100000000 leq x leq 100000000$$



and have only found two values of x, x = 0 and x = 1 that map to integers. While this range is quite large I am skeptical there is no other x that will map to an integer. How would one go about proving the choices for x that map to an integer given some square root function is finite or infinite?



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    To be clear, $x$ is an integer here? By convention, if not otherwise specified, $x,y$, are typically used for real numbers; $m,n$ are often used for integers.
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    Well, if $x^2-x-3=0$ (that is, if $x=(1+sqrt{13})/2$, then $x^2-x+1= 4$, hence $f(x) = 2$. So presumably, you want $x$ to be an integer? If so, you are trying to solve the quadratic diophantine equation $x^2-x+1=y^2$.
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Consider the equation $$f(x) =sqrt{x^2 - x + 1}$$



Using python I checked x for $$ -100000000 leq x leq 100000000$$



and have only found two values of x, x = 0 and x = 1 that map to integers. While this range is quite large I am skeptical there is no other x that will map to an integer. How would one go about proving the choices for x that map to an integer given some square root function is finite or infinite?



Edit: $$x in mathbb{Z}$$






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    To be clear, $x$ is an integer here? By convention, if not otherwise specified, $x,y$, are typically used for real numbers; $m,n$ are often used for integers.
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    Well, if $x^2-x-3=0$ (that is, if $x=(1+sqrt{13})/2$, then $x^2-x+1= 4$, hence $f(x) = 2$. So presumably, you want $x$ to be an integer? If so, you are trying to solve the quadratic diophantine equation $x^2-x+1=y^2$.
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    Justed edited, yes I meant to say $$x in mathbb{Z}$$
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Consider the equation $$f(x) =sqrt{x^2 - x + 1}$$



Using python I checked x for $$ -100000000 leq x leq 100000000$$



and have only found two values of x, x = 0 and x = 1 that map to integers. While this range is quite large I am skeptical there is no other x that will map to an integer. How would one go about proving the choices for x that map to an integer given some square root function is finite or infinite?



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Consider the equation $$f(x) =sqrt{x^2 - x + 1}$$



Using python I checked x for $$ -100000000 leq x leq 100000000$$



and have only found two values of x, x = 0 and x = 1 that map to integers. While this range is quite large I am skeptical there is no other x that will map to an integer. How would one go about proving the choices for x that map to an integer given some square root function is finite or infinite?



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    To be clear, $x$ is an integer here? By convention, if not otherwise specified, $x,y$, are typically used for real numbers; $m,n$ are often used for integers.
    $endgroup$
    – Théophile
    Apr 5 at 20:08






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    Well, if $x^2-x-3=0$ (that is, if $x=(1+sqrt{13})/2$, then $x^2-x+1= 4$, hence $f(x) = 2$. So presumably, you want $x$ to be an integer? If so, you are trying to solve the quadratic diophantine equation $x^2-x+1=y^2$.
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    Justed edited, yes I meant to say $$x in mathbb{Z}$$
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    $begingroup$
    To be clear, $x$ is an integer here? By convention, if not otherwise specified, $x,y$, are typically used for real numbers; $m,n$ are often used for integers.
    $endgroup$
    – Théophile
    Apr 5 at 20:08






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    $begingroup$
    Well, if $x^2-x-3=0$ (that is, if $x=(1+sqrt{13})/2$, then $x^2-x+1= 4$, hence $f(x) = 2$. So presumably, you want $x$ to be an integer? If so, you are trying to solve the quadratic diophantine equation $x^2-x+1=y^2$.
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    – Arturo Magidin
    Apr 5 at 20:11










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    Justed edited, yes I meant to say $$x in mathbb{Z}$$
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    Apr 5 at 21:28








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To be clear, $x$ is an integer here? By convention, if not otherwise specified, $x,y$, are typically used for real numbers; $m,n$ are often used for integers.
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$begingroup$
To be clear, $x$ is an integer here? By convention, if not otherwise specified, $x,y$, are typically used for real numbers; $m,n$ are often used for integers.
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Well, if $x^2-x-3=0$ (that is, if $x=(1+sqrt{13})/2$, then $x^2-x+1= 4$, hence $f(x) = 2$. So presumably, you want $x$ to be an integer? If so, you are trying to solve the quadratic diophantine equation $x^2-x+1=y^2$.
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– Arturo Magidin
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$begingroup$
Well, if $x^2-x-3=0$ (that is, if $x=(1+sqrt{13})/2$, then $x^2-x+1= 4$, hence $f(x) = 2$. So presumably, you want $x$ to be an integer? If so, you are trying to solve the quadratic diophantine equation $x^2-x+1=y^2$.
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First of all, observe that the function is defined $forall xin mathbb Z$ since $x^2+1geq2xgeq xiff x^2-x+1geq 0$.



Completing the square, we get $$x^2-x+1=(x-1)^2+color{blue}x$$



It obviously works for $x=0$. Observe now, that the nearest squares are $(x-2)^2$ and $x^2$.



Furthermore
begin{align*}(x-1)^2-(x-2)^2&=color{blue}{2x-3}tag{1}\
x^2-(x-1)^2&=color{blue}{2x-1}tag{2}
end{align*}



Can you end it now?




Hint: Observe, for instance, that $$lvert 2x-3rvert>lvert xrvert text{ unless } xin[1, 3]$$ $$lvert 2x-1rvert>lvert xrvert text{ unless } xin[frac{1}{3}, 1]$$The difference becomes then too big otherwise... Thus - and since $x$ is an integer - you just have to check the cases $xin{1, 2, 3}$.







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    Hint: let $y = sqrt{x^2-x+1}$. Squaring both sides,
    $$y^2 = x^2-x+1,$$
    so $y^2-1=x^2-x$. That is,
    $$(y+1)(y-1) = x(x-1).$$



    So your question becomes: when can the product of two numbers with difference two (i.e., the LHS) equal the product of two numbers with difference one (i.e., the RHS)?






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      Hint:



      For $x>1$, $(x-1)^2 lt x^2-x+1 lt x^2$;



      for $x<0$, $x^2<x^2-x+1<(x-1)^2$.






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        First of all, observe that the function is defined $forall xin mathbb Z$ since $x^2+1geq2xgeq xiff x^2-x+1geq 0$.



        Completing the square, we get $$x^2-x+1=(x-1)^2+color{blue}x$$



        It obviously works for $x=0$. Observe now, that the nearest squares are $(x-2)^2$ and $x^2$.



        Furthermore
        begin{align*}(x-1)^2-(x-2)^2&=color{blue}{2x-3}tag{1}\
        x^2-(x-1)^2&=color{blue}{2x-1}tag{2}
        end{align*}



        Can you end it now?




        Hint: Observe, for instance, that $$lvert 2x-3rvert>lvert xrvert text{ unless } xin[1, 3]$$ $$lvert 2x-1rvert>lvert xrvert text{ unless } xin[frac{1}{3}, 1]$$The difference becomes then too big otherwise... Thus - and since $x$ is an integer - you just have to check the cases $xin{1, 2, 3}$.







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          First of all, observe that the function is defined $forall xin mathbb Z$ since $x^2+1geq2xgeq xiff x^2-x+1geq 0$.



          Completing the square, we get $$x^2-x+1=(x-1)^2+color{blue}x$$



          It obviously works for $x=0$. Observe now, that the nearest squares are $(x-2)^2$ and $x^2$.



          Furthermore
          begin{align*}(x-1)^2-(x-2)^2&=color{blue}{2x-3}tag{1}\
          x^2-(x-1)^2&=color{blue}{2x-1}tag{2}
          end{align*}



          Can you end it now?




          Hint: Observe, for instance, that $$lvert 2x-3rvert>lvert xrvert text{ unless } xin[1, 3]$$ $$lvert 2x-1rvert>lvert xrvert text{ unless } xin[frac{1}{3}, 1]$$The difference becomes then too big otherwise... Thus - and since $x$ is an integer - you just have to check the cases $xin{1, 2, 3}$.







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            First of all, observe that the function is defined $forall xin mathbb Z$ since $x^2+1geq2xgeq xiff x^2-x+1geq 0$.



            Completing the square, we get $$x^2-x+1=(x-1)^2+color{blue}x$$



            It obviously works for $x=0$. Observe now, that the nearest squares are $(x-2)^2$ and $x^2$.



            Furthermore
            begin{align*}(x-1)^2-(x-2)^2&=color{blue}{2x-3}tag{1}\
            x^2-(x-1)^2&=color{blue}{2x-1}tag{2}
            end{align*}



            Can you end it now?




            Hint: Observe, for instance, that $$lvert 2x-3rvert>lvert xrvert text{ unless } xin[1, 3]$$ $$lvert 2x-1rvert>lvert xrvert text{ unless } xin[frac{1}{3}, 1]$$The difference becomes then too big otherwise... Thus - and since $x$ is an integer - you just have to check the cases $xin{1, 2, 3}$.







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            First of all, observe that the function is defined $forall xin mathbb Z$ since $x^2+1geq2xgeq xiff x^2-x+1geq 0$.



            Completing the square, we get $$x^2-x+1=(x-1)^2+color{blue}x$$



            It obviously works for $x=0$. Observe now, that the nearest squares are $(x-2)^2$ and $x^2$.



            Furthermore
            begin{align*}(x-1)^2-(x-2)^2&=color{blue}{2x-3}tag{1}\
            x^2-(x-1)^2&=color{blue}{2x-1}tag{2}
            end{align*}



            Can you end it now?




            Hint: Observe, for instance, that $$lvert 2x-3rvert>lvert xrvert text{ unless } xin[1, 3]$$ $$lvert 2x-1rvert>lvert xrvert text{ unless } xin[frac{1}{3}, 1]$$The difference becomes then too big otherwise... Thus - and since $x$ is an integer - you just have to check the cases $xin{1, 2, 3}$.








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                Hint: let $y = sqrt{x^2-x+1}$. Squaring both sides,
                $$y^2 = x^2-x+1,$$
                so $y^2-1=x^2-x$. That is,
                $$(y+1)(y-1) = x(x-1).$$



                So your question becomes: when can the product of two numbers with difference two (i.e., the LHS) equal the product of two numbers with difference one (i.e., the RHS)?






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                  Hint: let $y = sqrt{x^2-x+1}$. Squaring both sides,
                  $$y^2 = x^2-x+1,$$
                  so $y^2-1=x^2-x$. That is,
                  $$(y+1)(y-1) = x(x-1).$$



                  So your question becomes: when can the product of two numbers with difference two (i.e., the LHS) equal the product of two numbers with difference one (i.e., the RHS)?






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                    Hint: let $y = sqrt{x^2-x+1}$. Squaring both sides,
                    $$y^2 = x^2-x+1,$$
                    so $y^2-1=x^2-x$. That is,
                    $$(y+1)(y-1) = x(x-1).$$



                    So your question becomes: when can the product of two numbers with difference two (i.e., the LHS) equal the product of two numbers with difference one (i.e., the RHS)?






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                    Hint: let $y = sqrt{x^2-x+1}$. Squaring both sides,
                    $$y^2 = x^2-x+1,$$
                    so $y^2-1=x^2-x$. That is,
                    $$(y+1)(y-1) = x(x-1).$$



                    So your question becomes: when can the product of two numbers with difference two (i.e., the LHS) equal the product of two numbers with difference one (i.e., the RHS)?







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                        Hint:



                        For $x>1$, $(x-1)^2 lt x^2-x+1 lt x^2$;



                        for $x<0$, $x^2<x^2-x+1<(x-1)^2$.






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                          Hint:



                          For $x>1$, $(x-1)^2 lt x^2-x+1 lt x^2$;



                          for $x<0$, $x^2<x^2-x+1<(x-1)^2$.






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                            Hint:



                            For $x>1$, $(x-1)^2 lt x^2-x+1 lt x^2$;



                            for $x<0$, $x^2<x^2-x+1<(x-1)^2$.






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                            Hint:



                            For $x>1$, $(x-1)^2 lt x^2-x+1 lt x^2$;



                            for $x<0$, $x^2<x^2-x+1<(x-1)^2$.







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