Is my proof correct???
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The following question was asked in INMO 2005:
"Find all functions $f:Bbb{R} rightarrow Bbb{R} $ such that
$$f(x^2 + yf(z)) = xf(x) + zf(y)$$
for all $x,y,z in Bbb{R}$.
I am thinking of this as a solution:
"Put $x = y = 0 $ in the given equation, I get $$f(0) = zf(0)$$ for all $z$ in $R$ which means that $f(0) = 0$
Further take $y=0$ in the original equation to give me $$f(x^2)=xf(x)$$
Put $x = 0$ in the original equation to give $$f(yf(z)) = zf(y) *$$
In the above equation put $z=1$ to give $$f(yf(1)) = f(y)$$
Let $f(1) = c$ ,which gives me $f(cy) = f(y) **$
In the equation marked * put $y = 1$ to give $$f(f(z)) = zc$$
Taking $f$ on both sides gives $f(f(f(z))) = f(zc) = f(z)$ from **
Let $f(z) = x$ , say then I get $f(f(x)) = x$, but I know that $f(f(x)) = xc$ which means that $$c=1$$
Not put $z = 1$ and since $xf(x) = f(x^2)$ I get $$f(x^2 + y) = f(x^2) + f(y)$$ Now I replace x^2 by x to get $$f(x + y) = f(x) + f(y)$$ to give me the cauchy equation with solns $f(x) = 0$ for all x or $f(x) = x$(from f(1) = 1)
Now though I have given the solutions, there are two pints where I doubt my solution a little. They are when I replace$f(z)$ by some $x$. Is this step valid? And the other doubt is when I replace $x^2$ by $x$. Are these two steps valid and are there any errors in this solution?
Thanks in advance
proof-verification functional-equations
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The following question was asked in INMO 2005:
"Find all functions $f:Bbb{R} rightarrow Bbb{R} $ such that
$$f(x^2 + yf(z)) = xf(x) + zf(y)$$
for all $x,y,z in Bbb{R}$.
I am thinking of this as a solution:
"Put $x = y = 0 $ in the given equation, I get $$f(0) = zf(0)$$ for all $z$ in $R$ which means that $f(0) = 0$
Further take $y=0$ in the original equation to give me $$f(x^2)=xf(x)$$
Put $x = 0$ in the original equation to give $$f(yf(z)) = zf(y) *$$
In the above equation put $z=1$ to give $$f(yf(1)) = f(y)$$
Let $f(1) = c$ ,which gives me $f(cy) = f(y) **$
In the equation marked * put $y = 1$ to give $$f(f(z)) = zc$$
Taking $f$ on both sides gives $f(f(f(z))) = f(zc) = f(z)$ from **
Let $f(z) = x$ , say then I get $f(f(x)) = x$, but I know that $f(f(x)) = xc$ which means that $$c=1$$
Not put $z = 1$ and since $xf(x) = f(x^2)$ I get $$f(x^2 + y) = f(x^2) + f(y)$$ Now I replace x^2 by x to get $$f(x + y) = f(x) + f(y)$$ to give me the cauchy equation with solns $f(x) = 0$ for all x or $f(x) = x$(from f(1) = 1)
Now though I have given the solutions, there are two pints where I doubt my solution a little. They are when I replace$f(z)$ by some $x$. Is this step valid? And the other doubt is when I replace $x^2$ by $x$. Are these two steps valid and are there any errors in this solution?
Thanks in advance
proof-verification functional-equations
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If you replace $f(z)$ by $x$ the equation you get will be valid for $x$ in the range of $f$. If you replace $x^{2}$ by $x$ your conclusion will only be valid for $x geq 0$. So these are indeed gaps in your argument.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Dec 21 '18 at 10:30
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Moreover, unless additional properties (e.g. continuity) are assumed on $f$, $f(x) = cx$ is not the only solution of Cauchy's equation.
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– Song
Dec 21 '18 at 10:35
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The following question was asked in INMO 2005:
"Find all functions $f:Bbb{R} rightarrow Bbb{R} $ such that
$$f(x^2 + yf(z)) = xf(x) + zf(y)$$
for all $x,y,z in Bbb{R}$.
I am thinking of this as a solution:
"Put $x = y = 0 $ in the given equation, I get $$f(0) = zf(0)$$ for all $z$ in $R$ which means that $f(0) = 0$
Further take $y=0$ in the original equation to give me $$f(x^2)=xf(x)$$
Put $x = 0$ in the original equation to give $$f(yf(z)) = zf(y) *$$
In the above equation put $z=1$ to give $$f(yf(1)) = f(y)$$
Let $f(1) = c$ ,which gives me $f(cy) = f(y) **$
In the equation marked * put $y = 1$ to give $$f(f(z)) = zc$$
Taking $f$ on both sides gives $f(f(f(z))) = f(zc) = f(z)$ from **
Let $f(z) = x$ , say then I get $f(f(x)) = x$, but I know that $f(f(x)) = xc$ which means that $$c=1$$
Not put $z = 1$ and since $xf(x) = f(x^2)$ I get $$f(x^2 + y) = f(x^2) + f(y)$$ Now I replace x^2 by x to get $$f(x + y) = f(x) + f(y)$$ to give me the cauchy equation with solns $f(x) = 0$ for all x or $f(x) = x$(from f(1) = 1)
Now though I have given the solutions, there are two pints where I doubt my solution a little. They are when I replace$f(z)$ by some $x$. Is this step valid? And the other doubt is when I replace $x^2$ by $x$. Are these two steps valid and are there any errors in this solution?
Thanks in advance
proof-verification functional-equations
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The following question was asked in INMO 2005:
"Find all functions $f:Bbb{R} rightarrow Bbb{R} $ such that
$$f(x^2 + yf(z)) = xf(x) + zf(y)$$
for all $x,y,z in Bbb{R}$.
I am thinking of this as a solution:
"Put $x = y = 0 $ in the given equation, I get $$f(0) = zf(0)$$ for all $z$ in $R$ which means that $f(0) = 0$
Further take $y=0$ in the original equation to give me $$f(x^2)=xf(x)$$
Put $x = 0$ in the original equation to give $$f(yf(z)) = zf(y) *$$
In the above equation put $z=1$ to give $$f(yf(1)) = f(y)$$
Let $f(1) = c$ ,which gives me $f(cy) = f(y) **$
In the equation marked * put $y = 1$ to give $$f(f(z)) = zc$$
Taking $f$ on both sides gives $f(f(f(z))) = f(zc) = f(z)$ from **
Let $f(z) = x$ , say then I get $f(f(x)) = x$, but I know that $f(f(x)) = xc$ which means that $$c=1$$
Not put $z = 1$ and since $xf(x) = f(x^2)$ I get $$f(x^2 + y) = f(x^2) + f(y)$$ Now I replace x^2 by x to get $$f(x + y) = f(x) + f(y)$$ to give me the cauchy equation with solns $f(x) = 0$ for all x or $f(x) = x$(from f(1) = 1)
Now though I have given the solutions, there are two pints where I doubt my solution a little. They are when I replace$f(z)$ by some $x$. Is this step valid? And the other doubt is when I replace $x^2$ by $x$. Are these two steps valid and are there any errors in this solution?
Thanks in advance
proof-verification functional-equations
proof-verification functional-equations
edited Dec 21 '18 at 11:07
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If you replace $f(z)$ by $x$ the equation you get will be valid for $x$ in the range of $f$. If you replace $x^{2}$ by $x$ your conclusion will only be valid for $x geq 0$. So these are indeed gaps in your argument.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Dec 21 '18 at 10:30
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Moreover, unless additional properties (e.g. continuity) are assumed on $f$, $f(x) = cx$ is not the only solution of Cauchy's equation.
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– Song
Dec 21 '18 at 10:35
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If you replace $f(z)$ by $x$ the equation you get will be valid for $x$ in the range of $f$. If you replace $x^{2}$ by $x$ your conclusion will only be valid for $x geq 0$. So these are indeed gaps in your argument.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Dec 21 '18 at 10:30
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Moreover, unless additional properties (e.g. continuity) are assumed on $f$, $f(x) = cx$ is not the only solution of Cauchy's equation.
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– Song
Dec 21 '18 at 10:35
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If you replace $f(z)$ by $x$ the equation you get will be valid for $x$ in the range of $f$. If you replace $x^{2}$ by $x$ your conclusion will only be valid for $x geq 0$. So these are indeed gaps in your argument.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Dec 21 '18 at 10:30
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If you replace $f(z)$ by $x$ the equation you get will be valid for $x$ in the range of $f$. If you replace $x^{2}$ by $x$ your conclusion will only be valid for $x geq 0$. So these are indeed gaps in your argument.
$endgroup$
– Kavi Rama Murthy
Dec 21 '18 at 10:30
$begingroup$
Moreover, unless additional properties (e.g. continuity) are assumed on $f$, $f(x) = cx$ is not the only solution of Cauchy's equation.
$endgroup$
– Song
Dec 21 '18 at 10:35
$begingroup$
Moreover, unless additional properties (e.g. continuity) are assumed on $f$, $f(x) = cx$ is not the only solution of Cauchy's equation.
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– Song
Dec 21 '18 at 10:35
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As @Kavi Rama Murthy pointed out, substitution $f(z) mapsto x$ is only for $x$ in the range of $f$. However, if we assume that $f$ is not the trivial solution $0$, there is $x'neq 0$ such that
$$f(f(x')) = x'.$$ Since $f(f(x)) = cx$ for all real $x$, we have $c=1$ and it follows
$$
f(f(x)) = x,quad forall xinmathbb{R}.
$$ Secondly, $x^2mapsto x$ is only for non-negative $x$. Hence we get
$$
f(x+y) =f(x) +f(y) ,quad xgeq 0, yin mathbb{R}.tag{*}
$$ If one of $x,y$ is non-negative, $f(x+y) = f(x)+f(y)$ holds. If both are negative, we may use
$$
f(x^2) = xf(x) = f((-x)^2) = -xf(-x),quadforall x.
$$ Since $f$ is odd, $(*)$ holds for every real.
Finally, we obtained Cauchy's equation $(*)$. However, we can find non-continuous solution of $(*)$ using Hamel $mathbb{Q}$-basis of $mathbb{R}$. That is, $(*)$ does not necessarily lead to $f(x) = x$ (non-trivial solution.) To prove $f(x) = x$, let $F$ denote the set of all reals $x$ such that $x=f(x)$. We can see that $(i)$ $F$ is closed under addition, subtraction and multiplication, $(ii)$ $x^2 in F$ implies $pm xin F$. Proof of $(i)$ is quite straightforward if we notice that $f(zf(y))=yf(z)$. Proof of $(ii)$ uses the identity $f(x^2) = xf(x)$. Now, we are ready to prove $F=mathbb{R}.$ Note that
$$
f(x+f(x)) = f(x) +f(f(x)) = x+f(x),
$$and
$$
f(x-f(x)) = f(x) +f(-f(x)) = f(x) -f(f(x)) = f(x) - x.
$$ Let $k= x-f(x)$. By $(ii)$, we have $kin F$ if $k^2 = x^2 + f(x)^2 -2xf(x)in F$. Note that $$ x+f(x)in F Rightarrow (x+f(x))^2 in F,$$
and that
$$ f(xf(x)) =xf(x) Rightarrow xf(x) in F.$$
These two facts show that $k^2 = (x+f(x))^2-4xf(x)in F$ and hence we get $kin F$.
Finally, from
$
f(k) = -k = k,
$ we get $x-f(x) = 0$ for all reals $x$ as desired.
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As @Kavi Rama Murthy pointed out, substitution $f(z) mapsto x$ is only for $x$ in the range of $f$. However, if we assume that $f$ is not the trivial solution $0$, there is $x'neq 0$ such that
$$f(f(x')) = x'.$$ Since $f(f(x)) = cx$ for all real $x$, we have $c=1$ and it follows
$$
f(f(x)) = x,quad forall xinmathbb{R}.
$$ Secondly, $x^2mapsto x$ is only for non-negative $x$. Hence we get
$$
f(x+y) =f(x) +f(y) ,quad xgeq 0, yin mathbb{R}.tag{*}
$$ If one of $x,y$ is non-negative, $f(x+y) = f(x)+f(y)$ holds. If both are negative, we may use
$$
f(x^2) = xf(x) = f((-x)^2) = -xf(-x),quadforall x.
$$ Since $f$ is odd, $(*)$ holds for every real.
Finally, we obtained Cauchy's equation $(*)$. However, we can find non-continuous solution of $(*)$ using Hamel $mathbb{Q}$-basis of $mathbb{R}$. That is, $(*)$ does not necessarily lead to $f(x) = x$ (non-trivial solution.) To prove $f(x) = x$, let $F$ denote the set of all reals $x$ such that $x=f(x)$. We can see that $(i)$ $F$ is closed under addition, subtraction and multiplication, $(ii)$ $x^2 in F$ implies $pm xin F$. Proof of $(i)$ is quite straightforward if we notice that $f(zf(y))=yf(z)$. Proof of $(ii)$ uses the identity $f(x^2) = xf(x)$. Now, we are ready to prove $F=mathbb{R}.$ Note that
$$
f(x+f(x)) = f(x) +f(f(x)) = x+f(x),
$$and
$$
f(x-f(x)) = f(x) +f(-f(x)) = f(x) -f(f(x)) = f(x) - x.
$$ Let $k= x-f(x)$. By $(ii)$, we have $kin F$ if $k^2 = x^2 + f(x)^2 -2xf(x)in F$. Note that $$ x+f(x)in F Rightarrow (x+f(x))^2 in F,$$
and that
$$ f(xf(x)) =xf(x) Rightarrow xf(x) in F.$$
These two facts show that $k^2 = (x+f(x))^2-4xf(x)in F$ and hence we get $kin F$.
Finally, from
$
f(k) = -k = k,
$ we get $x-f(x) = 0$ for all reals $x$ as desired.
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As @Kavi Rama Murthy pointed out, substitution $f(z) mapsto x$ is only for $x$ in the range of $f$. However, if we assume that $f$ is not the trivial solution $0$, there is $x'neq 0$ such that
$$f(f(x')) = x'.$$ Since $f(f(x)) = cx$ for all real $x$, we have $c=1$ and it follows
$$
f(f(x)) = x,quad forall xinmathbb{R}.
$$ Secondly, $x^2mapsto x$ is only for non-negative $x$. Hence we get
$$
f(x+y) =f(x) +f(y) ,quad xgeq 0, yin mathbb{R}.tag{*}
$$ If one of $x,y$ is non-negative, $f(x+y) = f(x)+f(y)$ holds. If both are negative, we may use
$$
f(x^2) = xf(x) = f((-x)^2) = -xf(-x),quadforall x.
$$ Since $f$ is odd, $(*)$ holds for every real.
Finally, we obtained Cauchy's equation $(*)$. However, we can find non-continuous solution of $(*)$ using Hamel $mathbb{Q}$-basis of $mathbb{R}$. That is, $(*)$ does not necessarily lead to $f(x) = x$ (non-trivial solution.) To prove $f(x) = x$, let $F$ denote the set of all reals $x$ such that $x=f(x)$. We can see that $(i)$ $F$ is closed under addition, subtraction and multiplication, $(ii)$ $x^2 in F$ implies $pm xin F$. Proof of $(i)$ is quite straightforward if we notice that $f(zf(y))=yf(z)$. Proof of $(ii)$ uses the identity $f(x^2) = xf(x)$. Now, we are ready to prove $F=mathbb{R}.$ Note that
$$
f(x+f(x)) = f(x) +f(f(x)) = x+f(x),
$$and
$$
f(x-f(x)) = f(x) +f(-f(x)) = f(x) -f(f(x)) = f(x) - x.
$$ Let $k= x-f(x)$. By $(ii)$, we have $kin F$ if $k^2 = x^2 + f(x)^2 -2xf(x)in F$. Note that $$ x+f(x)in F Rightarrow (x+f(x))^2 in F,$$
and that
$$ f(xf(x)) =xf(x) Rightarrow xf(x) in F.$$
These two facts show that $k^2 = (x+f(x))^2-4xf(x)in F$ and hence we get $kin F$.
Finally, from
$
f(k) = -k = k,
$ we get $x-f(x) = 0$ for all reals $x$ as desired.
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As @Kavi Rama Murthy pointed out, substitution $f(z) mapsto x$ is only for $x$ in the range of $f$. However, if we assume that $f$ is not the trivial solution $0$, there is $x'neq 0$ such that
$$f(f(x')) = x'.$$ Since $f(f(x)) = cx$ for all real $x$, we have $c=1$ and it follows
$$
f(f(x)) = x,quad forall xinmathbb{R}.
$$ Secondly, $x^2mapsto x$ is only for non-negative $x$. Hence we get
$$
f(x+y) =f(x) +f(y) ,quad xgeq 0, yin mathbb{R}.tag{*}
$$ If one of $x,y$ is non-negative, $f(x+y) = f(x)+f(y)$ holds. If both are negative, we may use
$$
f(x^2) = xf(x) = f((-x)^2) = -xf(-x),quadforall x.
$$ Since $f$ is odd, $(*)$ holds for every real.
Finally, we obtained Cauchy's equation $(*)$. However, we can find non-continuous solution of $(*)$ using Hamel $mathbb{Q}$-basis of $mathbb{R}$. That is, $(*)$ does not necessarily lead to $f(x) = x$ (non-trivial solution.) To prove $f(x) = x$, let $F$ denote the set of all reals $x$ such that $x=f(x)$. We can see that $(i)$ $F$ is closed under addition, subtraction and multiplication, $(ii)$ $x^2 in F$ implies $pm xin F$. Proof of $(i)$ is quite straightforward if we notice that $f(zf(y))=yf(z)$. Proof of $(ii)$ uses the identity $f(x^2) = xf(x)$. Now, we are ready to prove $F=mathbb{R}.$ Note that
$$
f(x+f(x)) = f(x) +f(f(x)) = x+f(x),
$$and
$$
f(x-f(x)) = f(x) +f(-f(x)) = f(x) -f(f(x)) = f(x) - x.
$$ Let $k= x-f(x)$. By $(ii)$, we have $kin F$ if $k^2 = x^2 + f(x)^2 -2xf(x)in F$. Note that $$ x+f(x)in F Rightarrow (x+f(x))^2 in F,$$
and that
$$ f(xf(x)) =xf(x) Rightarrow xf(x) in F.$$
These two facts show that $k^2 = (x+f(x))^2-4xf(x)in F$ and hence we get $kin F$.
Finally, from
$
f(k) = -k = k,
$ we get $x-f(x) = 0$ for all reals $x$ as desired.
$endgroup$
As @Kavi Rama Murthy pointed out, substitution $f(z) mapsto x$ is only for $x$ in the range of $f$. However, if we assume that $f$ is not the trivial solution $0$, there is $x'neq 0$ such that
$$f(f(x')) = x'.$$ Since $f(f(x)) = cx$ for all real $x$, we have $c=1$ and it follows
$$
f(f(x)) = x,quad forall xinmathbb{R}.
$$ Secondly, $x^2mapsto x$ is only for non-negative $x$. Hence we get
$$
f(x+y) =f(x) +f(y) ,quad xgeq 0, yin mathbb{R}.tag{*}
$$ If one of $x,y$ is non-negative, $f(x+y) = f(x)+f(y)$ holds. If both are negative, we may use
$$
f(x^2) = xf(x) = f((-x)^2) = -xf(-x),quadforall x.
$$ Since $f$ is odd, $(*)$ holds for every real.
Finally, we obtained Cauchy's equation $(*)$. However, we can find non-continuous solution of $(*)$ using Hamel $mathbb{Q}$-basis of $mathbb{R}$. That is, $(*)$ does not necessarily lead to $f(x) = x$ (non-trivial solution.) To prove $f(x) = x$, let $F$ denote the set of all reals $x$ such that $x=f(x)$. We can see that $(i)$ $F$ is closed under addition, subtraction and multiplication, $(ii)$ $x^2 in F$ implies $pm xin F$. Proof of $(i)$ is quite straightforward if we notice that $f(zf(y))=yf(z)$. Proof of $(ii)$ uses the identity $f(x^2) = xf(x)$. Now, we are ready to prove $F=mathbb{R}.$ Note that
$$
f(x+f(x)) = f(x) +f(f(x)) = x+f(x),
$$and
$$
f(x-f(x)) = f(x) +f(-f(x)) = f(x) -f(f(x)) = f(x) - x.
$$ Let $k= x-f(x)$. By $(ii)$, we have $kin F$ if $k^2 = x^2 + f(x)^2 -2xf(x)in F$. Note that $$ x+f(x)in F Rightarrow (x+f(x))^2 in F,$$
and that
$$ f(xf(x)) =xf(x) Rightarrow xf(x) in F.$$
These two facts show that $k^2 = (x+f(x))^2-4xf(x)in F$ and hence we get $kin F$.
Finally, from
$
f(k) = -k = k,
$ we get $x-f(x) = 0$ for all reals $x$ as desired.
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If you replace $f(z)$ by $x$ the equation you get will be valid for $x$ in the range of $f$. If you replace $x^{2}$ by $x$ your conclusion will only be valid for $x geq 0$. So these are indeed gaps in your argument.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Dec 21 '18 at 10:30
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Moreover, unless additional properties (e.g. continuity) are assumed on $f$, $f(x) = cx$ is not the only solution of Cauchy's equation.
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– Song
Dec 21 '18 at 10:35