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As far as I know, by definition, non-decreasing means increasing and non-increasing means decreasing. My general question is: why some people use non-increasing and non-decreasing?



In fact, it raises some confusing to me. For example, the sequence




$1,2,3,4$




is increasing and thus the sequence




$4,1,2,3$




is non-increasing. So, based on the definition, it is decreasing, but it is not.






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    What you think of as nonincreasing isn't what I think of as non-increasing.
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    "non-increasing means decreasing" NO : $0,0,0,ldots$ is non-increasing but not decreasing.
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    "nonincreasing" $neq$ "not increasing"
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As far as I know, by definition, non-decreasing means increasing and non-increasing means decreasing. My general question is: why some people use non-increasing and non-decreasing?



In fact, it raises some confusing to me. For example, the sequence




$1,2,3,4$




is increasing and thus the sequence




$4,1,2,3$




is non-increasing. So, based on the definition, it is decreasing, but it is not.






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    What you think of as nonincreasing isn't what I think of as non-increasing.
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    – Lord Shark the Unknown
    Dec 19 '18 at 15:21








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    "non-increasing means decreasing" NO : $0,0,0,ldots$ is non-increasing but not decreasing.
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    – Mauro ALLEGRANZA
    Dec 19 '18 at 15:22








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    "nonincreasing" $neq$ "not increasing"
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    – rschwieb
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As far as I know, by definition, non-decreasing means increasing and non-increasing means decreasing. My general question is: why some people use non-increasing and non-decreasing?



In fact, it raises some confusing to me. For example, the sequence




$1,2,3,4$




is increasing and thus the sequence




$4,1,2,3$




is non-increasing. So, based on the definition, it is decreasing, but it is not.






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As far as I know, by definition, non-decreasing means increasing and non-increasing means decreasing. My general question is: why some people use non-increasing and non-decreasing?



In fact, it raises some confusing to me. For example, the sequence




$1,2,3,4$




is increasing and thus the sequence




$4,1,2,3$




is non-increasing. So, based on the definition, it is decreasing, but it is not.






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    What you think of as nonincreasing isn't what I think of as non-increasing.
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    – Lord Shark the Unknown
    Dec 19 '18 at 15:21








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    $begingroup$
    "non-increasing means decreasing" NO : $0,0,0,ldots$ is non-increasing but not decreasing.
    $endgroup$
    – Mauro ALLEGRANZA
    Dec 19 '18 at 15:22








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    $begingroup$
    "nonincreasing" $neq$ "not increasing"
    $endgroup$
    – rschwieb
    Dec 19 '18 at 15:24














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    $begingroup$
    What you think of as nonincreasing isn't what I think of as non-increasing.
    $endgroup$
    – Lord Shark the Unknown
    Dec 19 '18 at 15:21








  • 2




    $begingroup$
    "non-increasing means decreasing" NO : $0,0,0,ldots$ is non-increasing but not decreasing.
    $endgroup$
    – Mauro ALLEGRANZA
    Dec 19 '18 at 15:22








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    $begingroup$
    "nonincreasing" $neq$ "not increasing"
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    – rschwieb
    Dec 19 '18 at 15:24








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What you think of as nonincreasing isn't what I think of as non-increasing.
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– Lord Shark the Unknown
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What you think of as nonincreasing isn't what I think of as non-increasing.
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– Lord Shark the Unknown
Dec 19 '18 at 15:21






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"non-increasing means decreasing" NO : $0,0,0,ldots$ is non-increasing but not decreasing.
$endgroup$
– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Dec 19 '18 at 15:22






$begingroup$
"non-increasing means decreasing" NO : $0,0,0,ldots$ is non-increasing but not decreasing.
$endgroup$
– Mauro ALLEGRANZA
Dec 19 '18 at 15:22






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"nonincreasing" $neq$ "not increasing"
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– rschwieb
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$begingroup$
"nonincreasing" $neq$ "not increasing"
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This is a bit of confusing terminology.



"Non-increasing," unfortunately, does not mean "not increasing" - it means "never increasing." So, for example, the sequence $$3,3,2,1$$ is non-increasing - $3not<3, 3not<2, 2not<1$. The definition is similar for non-decreasing. (Note in particular that non-increasing does not imply decreasing, as the above example shows.)



The sequence $$4,1,2,3$$ has both increases ($2$ to $3$) and decreases ($4$ to $1$); so it is - awkwardly - not increasing, not decreasing, not non-increasing, and not non-decreasing.



Ugh!






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    My understanding is that a non-increasing sequence is different than a decreasing one in the sense that decreasing one "decreases every time" and non-increasing "doesn't increase at all" So the example you gave wouldn't be non increasing as it increases from 1 to 2 and 2 to 3.






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      There are three conditions of change to the next event. Increasing, decreasing and remaining constant. Negative to these three states are non-increasing, non-decreasing and not remaining constant, i.e, varying.
      So they are not mutually exclusive.






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        This is a bit of confusing terminology.



        "Non-increasing," unfortunately, does not mean "not increasing" - it means "never increasing." So, for example, the sequence $$3,3,2,1$$ is non-increasing - $3not<3, 3not<2, 2not<1$. The definition is similar for non-decreasing. (Note in particular that non-increasing does not imply decreasing, as the above example shows.)



        The sequence $$4,1,2,3$$ has both increases ($2$ to $3$) and decreases ($4$ to $1$); so it is - awkwardly - not increasing, not decreasing, not non-increasing, and not non-decreasing.



        Ugh!






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          This is a bit of confusing terminology.



          "Non-increasing," unfortunately, does not mean "not increasing" - it means "never increasing." So, for example, the sequence $$3,3,2,1$$ is non-increasing - $3not<3, 3not<2, 2not<1$. The definition is similar for non-decreasing. (Note in particular that non-increasing does not imply decreasing, as the above example shows.)



          The sequence $$4,1,2,3$$ has both increases ($2$ to $3$) and decreases ($4$ to $1$); so it is - awkwardly - not increasing, not decreasing, not non-increasing, and not non-decreasing.



          Ugh!






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            This is a bit of confusing terminology.



            "Non-increasing," unfortunately, does not mean "not increasing" - it means "never increasing." So, for example, the sequence $$3,3,2,1$$ is non-increasing - $3not<3, 3not<2, 2not<1$. The definition is similar for non-decreasing. (Note in particular that non-increasing does not imply decreasing, as the above example shows.)



            The sequence $$4,1,2,3$$ has both increases ($2$ to $3$) and decreases ($4$ to $1$); so it is - awkwardly - not increasing, not decreasing, not non-increasing, and not non-decreasing.



            Ugh!






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            This is a bit of confusing terminology.



            "Non-increasing," unfortunately, does not mean "not increasing" - it means "never increasing." So, for example, the sequence $$3,3,2,1$$ is non-increasing - $3not<3, 3not<2, 2not<1$. The definition is similar for non-decreasing. (Note in particular that non-increasing does not imply decreasing, as the above example shows.)



            The sequence $$4,1,2,3$$ has both increases ($2$ to $3$) and decreases ($4$ to $1$); so it is - awkwardly - not increasing, not decreasing, not non-increasing, and not non-decreasing.



            Ugh!







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                My understanding is that a non-increasing sequence is different than a decreasing one in the sense that decreasing one "decreases every time" and non-increasing "doesn't increase at all" So the example you gave wouldn't be non increasing as it increases from 1 to 2 and 2 to 3.






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                  My understanding is that a non-increasing sequence is different than a decreasing one in the sense that decreasing one "decreases every time" and non-increasing "doesn't increase at all" So the example you gave wouldn't be non increasing as it increases from 1 to 2 and 2 to 3.






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                    My understanding is that a non-increasing sequence is different than a decreasing one in the sense that decreasing one "decreases every time" and non-increasing "doesn't increase at all" So the example you gave wouldn't be non increasing as it increases from 1 to 2 and 2 to 3.






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                    My understanding is that a non-increasing sequence is different than a decreasing one in the sense that decreasing one "decreases every time" and non-increasing "doesn't increase at all" So the example you gave wouldn't be non increasing as it increases from 1 to 2 and 2 to 3.







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                        There are three conditions of change to the next event. Increasing, decreasing and remaining constant. Negative to these three states are non-increasing, non-decreasing and not remaining constant, i.e, varying.
                        So they are not mutually exclusive.






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                          There are three conditions of change to the next event. Increasing, decreasing and remaining constant. Negative to these three states are non-increasing, non-decreasing and not remaining constant, i.e, varying.
                          So they are not mutually exclusive.






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                            There are three conditions of change to the next event. Increasing, decreasing and remaining constant. Negative to these three states are non-increasing, non-decreasing and not remaining constant, i.e, varying.
                            So they are not mutually exclusive.






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                            There are three conditions of change to the next event. Increasing, decreasing and remaining constant. Negative to these three states are non-increasing, non-decreasing and not remaining constant, i.e, varying.
                            So they are not mutually exclusive.







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