Do varchar(max), nvarchar(max) and varbinary(max) columns affect select queries?












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Consider this table:



create table Books
(
Id bigint not null primary key identity(1, 1),
UniqueToken varchar(100) not null,
[Text] nvarchar(max) not null
)


Let's imagine that we have over 100,000 books in this table.



Now we're given a 10,000 books data to insert into this table, some of which are duplicate. So we need to filter duplicates first, and then insert new books.



One way to check for the duplicates is this way:



select UniqueToken
from Books
where UniqueToken in
(
'first unique token',
'second unique token'
-- 10,000 items here
)


Does the existence of Text column affect this query's performance? If so, how can we optimized it?



P.S.
I have the same structure, for some other data. And it's not performing well. A friend told me that I should break my table into two tables as follow:



create table BookUniqueTokens 
(
Id bigint not null primary key identity(1, 1),
UniqueToken varchar(100)
)

create table Books
(
Id bigint not null primary key,
[Text] nvarchar(max)
)


And I have to do my duplicate finding algorithm on the first table only, and then insert data into both of them. This way he claimed performance gets way better, because tables are physically separate. He claimed that [Text] column affects any select query on the UniqueToken column.










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    Is there a nonclustered index on UniqueToken ? Also, I would not advise an IN with 10k items, I would store them in a temp table and filter the UniqueTokens with this temporary table. More on that here

    – Randi Vertongen
    Mar 24 at 11:56






  • 1





    1) If you are checking for duplicates, why would you include the Text column in the query? 2) can you please update the question to inlcude a few examples of values stored in the UniqueToken column? If you don't want to share actual company data, modify it, but keep the format the same.

    – Solomon Rutzky
    Mar 24 at 16:04













  • @RandiVertongen, yes there is a nonclustered index on UniqueToken

    – Saeed Neamati
    Mar 24 at 16:50











  • @SolomonRutzky, I'm retrieving existing values from database, to be excluded inside the application code.

    – Saeed Neamati
    Mar 24 at 16:51











  • @SaeedNeamati I added an edit based on the NC index existing. If the query in the question is the one that needs to be optimized, and the NC index does not have the Text column included, then I would look at the IN for query optimization. There are better ways to find duplicate data.

    – Randi Vertongen
    Mar 24 at 18:16
















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Consider this table:



create table Books
(
Id bigint not null primary key identity(1, 1),
UniqueToken varchar(100) not null,
[Text] nvarchar(max) not null
)


Let's imagine that we have over 100,000 books in this table.



Now we're given a 10,000 books data to insert into this table, some of which are duplicate. So we need to filter duplicates first, and then insert new books.



One way to check for the duplicates is this way:



select UniqueToken
from Books
where UniqueToken in
(
'first unique token',
'second unique token'
-- 10,000 items here
)


Does the existence of Text column affect this query's performance? If so, how can we optimized it?



P.S.
I have the same structure, for some other data. And it's not performing well. A friend told me that I should break my table into two tables as follow:



create table BookUniqueTokens 
(
Id bigint not null primary key identity(1, 1),
UniqueToken varchar(100)
)

create table Books
(
Id bigint not null primary key,
[Text] nvarchar(max)
)


And I have to do my duplicate finding algorithm on the first table only, and then insert data into both of them. This way he claimed performance gets way better, because tables are physically separate. He claimed that [Text] column affects any select query on the UniqueToken column.










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  • 2





    Is there a nonclustered index on UniqueToken ? Also, I would not advise an IN with 10k items, I would store them in a temp table and filter the UniqueTokens with this temporary table. More on that here

    – Randi Vertongen
    Mar 24 at 11:56






  • 1





    1) If you are checking for duplicates, why would you include the Text column in the query? 2) can you please update the question to inlcude a few examples of values stored in the UniqueToken column? If you don't want to share actual company data, modify it, but keep the format the same.

    – Solomon Rutzky
    Mar 24 at 16:04













  • @RandiVertongen, yes there is a nonclustered index on UniqueToken

    – Saeed Neamati
    Mar 24 at 16:50











  • @SolomonRutzky, I'm retrieving existing values from database, to be excluded inside the application code.

    – Saeed Neamati
    Mar 24 at 16:51











  • @SaeedNeamati I added an edit based on the NC index existing. If the query in the question is the one that needs to be optimized, and the NC index does not have the Text column included, then I would look at the IN for query optimization. There are better ways to find duplicate data.

    – Randi Vertongen
    Mar 24 at 18:16














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Consider this table:



create table Books
(
Id bigint not null primary key identity(1, 1),
UniqueToken varchar(100) not null,
[Text] nvarchar(max) not null
)


Let's imagine that we have over 100,000 books in this table.



Now we're given a 10,000 books data to insert into this table, some of which are duplicate. So we need to filter duplicates first, and then insert new books.



One way to check for the duplicates is this way:



select UniqueToken
from Books
where UniqueToken in
(
'first unique token',
'second unique token'
-- 10,000 items here
)


Does the existence of Text column affect this query's performance? If so, how can we optimized it?



P.S.
I have the same structure, for some other data. And it's not performing well. A friend told me that I should break my table into two tables as follow:



create table BookUniqueTokens 
(
Id bigint not null primary key identity(1, 1),
UniqueToken varchar(100)
)

create table Books
(
Id bigint not null primary key,
[Text] nvarchar(max)
)


And I have to do my duplicate finding algorithm on the first table only, and then insert data into both of them. This way he claimed performance gets way better, because tables are physically separate. He claimed that [Text] column affects any select query on the UniqueToken column.










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Consider this table:



create table Books
(
Id bigint not null primary key identity(1, 1),
UniqueToken varchar(100) not null,
[Text] nvarchar(max) not null
)


Let's imagine that we have over 100,000 books in this table.



Now we're given a 10,000 books data to insert into this table, some of which are duplicate. So we need to filter duplicates first, and then insert new books.



One way to check for the duplicates is this way:



select UniqueToken
from Books
where UniqueToken in
(
'first unique token',
'second unique token'
-- 10,000 items here
)


Does the existence of Text column affect this query's performance? If so, how can we optimized it?



P.S.
I have the same structure, for some other data. And it's not performing well. A friend told me that I should break my table into two tables as follow:



create table BookUniqueTokens 
(
Id bigint not null primary key identity(1, 1),
UniqueToken varchar(100)
)

create table Books
(
Id bigint not null primary key,
[Text] nvarchar(max)
)


And I have to do my duplicate finding algorithm on the first table only, and then insert data into both of them. This way he claimed performance gets way better, because tables are physically separate. He claimed that [Text] column affects any select query on the UniqueToken column.







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    Is there a nonclustered index on UniqueToken ? Also, I would not advise an IN with 10k items, I would store them in a temp table and filter the UniqueTokens with this temporary table. More on that here

    – Randi Vertongen
    Mar 24 at 11:56






  • 1





    1) If you are checking for duplicates, why would you include the Text column in the query? 2) can you please update the question to inlcude a few examples of values stored in the UniqueToken column? If you don't want to share actual company data, modify it, but keep the format the same.

    – Solomon Rutzky
    Mar 24 at 16:04













  • @RandiVertongen, yes there is a nonclustered index on UniqueToken

    – Saeed Neamati
    Mar 24 at 16:50











  • @SolomonRutzky, I'm retrieving existing values from database, to be excluded inside the application code.

    – Saeed Neamati
    Mar 24 at 16:51











  • @SaeedNeamati I added an edit based on the NC index existing. If the query in the question is the one that needs to be optimized, and the NC index does not have the Text column included, then I would look at the IN for query optimization. There are better ways to find duplicate data.

    – Randi Vertongen
    Mar 24 at 18:16














  • 2





    Is there a nonclustered index on UniqueToken ? Also, I would not advise an IN with 10k items, I would store them in a temp table and filter the UniqueTokens with this temporary table. More on that here

    – Randi Vertongen
    Mar 24 at 11:56






  • 1





    1) If you are checking for duplicates, why would you include the Text column in the query? 2) can you please update the question to inlcude a few examples of values stored in the UniqueToken column? If you don't want to share actual company data, modify it, but keep the format the same.

    – Solomon Rutzky
    Mar 24 at 16:04













  • @RandiVertongen, yes there is a nonclustered index on UniqueToken

    – Saeed Neamati
    Mar 24 at 16:50











  • @SolomonRutzky, I'm retrieving existing values from database, to be excluded inside the application code.

    – Saeed Neamati
    Mar 24 at 16:51











  • @SaeedNeamati I added an edit based on the NC index existing. If the query in the question is the one that needs to be optimized, and the NC index does not have the Text column included, then I would look at the IN for query optimization. There are better ways to find duplicate data.

    – Randi Vertongen
    Mar 24 at 18:16








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2





Is there a nonclustered index on UniqueToken ? Also, I would not advise an IN with 10k items, I would store them in a temp table and filter the UniqueTokens with this temporary table. More on that here

– Randi Vertongen
Mar 24 at 11:56





Is there a nonclustered index on UniqueToken ? Also, I would not advise an IN with 10k items, I would store them in a temp table and filter the UniqueTokens with this temporary table. More on that here

– Randi Vertongen
Mar 24 at 11:56




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1





1) If you are checking for duplicates, why would you include the Text column in the query? 2) can you please update the question to inlcude a few examples of values stored in the UniqueToken column? If you don't want to share actual company data, modify it, but keep the format the same.

– Solomon Rutzky
Mar 24 at 16:04







1) If you are checking for duplicates, why would you include the Text column in the query? 2) can you please update the question to inlcude a few examples of values stored in the UniqueToken column? If you don't want to share actual company data, modify it, but keep the format the same.

– Solomon Rutzky
Mar 24 at 16:04















@RandiVertongen, yes there is a nonclustered index on UniqueToken

– Saeed Neamati
Mar 24 at 16:50





@RandiVertongen, yes there is a nonclustered index on UniqueToken

– Saeed Neamati
Mar 24 at 16:50













@SolomonRutzky, I'm retrieving existing values from database, to be excluded inside the application code.

– Saeed Neamati
Mar 24 at 16:51





@SolomonRutzky, I'm retrieving existing values from database, to be excluded inside the application code.

– Saeed Neamati
Mar 24 at 16:51













@SaeedNeamati I added an edit based on the NC index existing. If the query in the question is the one that needs to be optimized, and the NC index does not have the Text column included, then I would look at the IN for query optimization. There are better ways to find duplicate data.

– Randi Vertongen
Mar 24 at 18:16





@SaeedNeamati I added an edit based on the NC index existing. If the query in the question is the one that needs to be optimized, and the NC index does not have the Text column included, then I would look at the IN for query optimization. There are better ways to find duplicate data.

– Randi Vertongen
Mar 24 at 18:16










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Examples



Consider your query with 8 filter predicates in your IN clause on a dataset of 10K records.



select UniqueToken
from Books
where UniqueToken in
(
'Unique token 1',
'Unique token 2',
'Unique token 3',
'Unique token 4',
'Unique token 5',
'Unique token 6',
'Unique token 9999',
'Unique token 5000'
-- 10,000 items here
);


A clustered index scan is used, there are no other indexes present on this test table



enter image description here



With a data size of 216 Bytes.



You should also note how even with 8 records, the OR filters are stacking up.



The reads that happened on this table:



enter image description here



Credits to statisticsparser.



When you include the Text column in the select part of your query, the actual data size changes drastically:



select UniqueToken,Text
from Books
where UniqueToken in
(
'Unique token 1',
'Unique token 2',
'Unique token 3',
'Unique token 4',
'Unique token 5',
'Unique token 6',
'Unique token 9999',
'Unique token 5000'
-- 10,000 items here
);


Again, the Clustered index Scan with a residual predicate:



enter image description here



But with a dataset of 32KB.



As there are almost 1000 lob logical reads:



enter image description here



Now, when we create the two tables in question, and fill them up with the same 10k records



Executing the same select without Text. Remember that we had 99 Logical reads when using the Books Table.



select UniqueToken
from BookUniqueTokens
where UniqueToken in
(
'Unique token 1',
'Unique token 2',
'Unique token 3',
'Unique token 4',
'Unique token 5',
'Unique token 6',
'Unique token 9999',
'Unique token 5000'
-- 10,000 items here
)


The reads on BookUniqueTokens are lower, 67 instead of 99.



enter image description here



We can track that back to the pages in the original Books table and the pages in the new table without the Text.



Original Books table:



enter image description here



New BookUniqueTokens table



enter image description here



So, all the pages + (2 overhead pages?) are read from the clustered index.



Why is there a difference, and why is the difference not bigger? After all the datasize difference is huge (Lob data <> No Lob data)



Books Data space



enter image description here



BooksWithText Data space



enter image description here



The reason for this is ROW_OVERFLOW_DATA.



When data gets bigger than 8kb the data is stored as ROW_OVERFLOW_DATA on different pages.



Ok, if lob data is stored on different pages, why are the page sizes of these two clustered indexes not the same?



Due to the 24 byte pointer added to the Clustered index to track each of these pages.
After all, sql server needs to know where it can find the lob data.



Source





To answer your questions




He claimed that [Text] column affects any select query on the
UniqueToken column.




And




Does the existence of Text column affect this query's performance? If
so, how can we optimized it?




If the data stored is actually Lob Data, and the Query provided in the answer is used



It does bring some overhead due to the 24 byte pointers.



Depending on the executions / min not being crazy high, I would say that this is negligible, even with 100K records.



Remember that this overhead only happens if an index that includes Text is used, such as the clustered index.



But, what if the clustered index scan is used, and the lob data does not exceed 8kb?



If the data does not exceed 8kb, and you have no index on UniqueToken,the overhead could be bigger . even when not selecting the Text column.



Logical reads on 10k records when Text is only 137 characters long (all records):




Table 'Books2'. Scan count 1, logical reads 419




Due to all this extra data being on the clustered index pages.



Again, an index on UniqueToken (Without including the Text column) will resolve this issue.



As pointed out by @David Browne - Microsoft, you could also store the data off row, as to not add this overhead on the Clustered index when not selecting this Text Column.




Also, if you do want the text stored off-row, you can force that
without using a separate table. Just set the 'large value types out of
row' option with sp_tableoption.
docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/relational-databases




TL;DR



Based on the query given, indexing UniqueToken without including TEXT should resolve your troubles.
Additionally, I would use a temporary table or table type to do the filtering instead of the IN statement.



EDIT:




yes there is a nonclustered index on UniqueToken




Your example query is not touching the Text column, and based on the query this should be a covering index.



If we test this on the three tables we previously used (UniqueToken + Lob data, Solely UniqueToken, UniqueToken + 137 Char data in nvarchar(max) column)



CREATE INDEX [IX_Books_UniqueToken] ON Books(UniqueToken);
CREATE INDEX [IX_BookUniqueTokens_UniqueToken] ON BookUniqueTokens(UniqueToken);
CREATE INDEX [IX_Books2_UniqueToken] ON Books2(UniqueToken);


The reads remain the same for these three tables, because the nonclustered index is used.



Table 'Books'. Scan count 8, logical reads 16, physical reads 0, read-ahead reads 0, lob logical reads 0, lob physical reads 0, lob read-ahead reads 0.

Table 'BookUniqueTokens'. Scan count 8, logical reads 16, physical reads 0, read-ahead reads 0, lob logical reads 0, lob physical reads 0, lob read-ahead reads 0.

Table 'Books2'. Scan count 8, logical reads 16, physical reads 5, read-ahead reads 0, lob logical reads 0, lob physical reads 0, lob read-ahead reads 0.


Additional details



by @David Browne - Microsoft




Also, if you do want the text stored off-row, you can force that
without using a separate table. Just set the 'large value types out of
row' option with sp_tableoption.
docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/relational-databases/




Remember that you have to rebuild your indexes for this to take effect on already populated data.



By @Erik Darling



On




  • MAX Data Types Do WHAT?


Filtering on Lob data sucks.




  • Memory Grants and Data Size


Your memory grants might go through the roof when using bigger datatypes, impacting performance.






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    Examples



    Consider your query with 8 filter predicates in your IN clause on a dataset of 10K records.



    select UniqueToken
    from Books
    where UniqueToken in
    (
    'Unique token 1',
    'Unique token 2',
    'Unique token 3',
    'Unique token 4',
    'Unique token 5',
    'Unique token 6',
    'Unique token 9999',
    'Unique token 5000'
    -- 10,000 items here
    );


    A clustered index scan is used, there are no other indexes present on this test table



    enter image description here



    With a data size of 216 Bytes.



    You should also note how even with 8 records, the OR filters are stacking up.



    The reads that happened on this table:



    enter image description here



    Credits to statisticsparser.



    When you include the Text column in the select part of your query, the actual data size changes drastically:



    select UniqueToken,Text
    from Books
    where UniqueToken in
    (
    'Unique token 1',
    'Unique token 2',
    'Unique token 3',
    'Unique token 4',
    'Unique token 5',
    'Unique token 6',
    'Unique token 9999',
    'Unique token 5000'
    -- 10,000 items here
    );


    Again, the Clustered index Scan with a residual predicate:



    enter image description here



    But with a dataset of 32KB.



    As there are almost 1000 lob logical reads:



    enter image description here



    Now, when we create the two tables in question, and fill them up with the same 10k records



    Executing the same select without Text. Remember that we had 99 Logical reads when using the Books Table.



    select UniqueToken
    from BookUniqueTokens
    where UniqueToken in
    (
    'Unique token 1',
    'Unique token 2',
    'Unique token 3',
    'Unique token 4',
    'Unique token 5',
    'Unique token 6',
    'Unique token 9999',
    'Unique token 5000'
    -- 10,000 items here
    )


    The reads on BookUniqueTokens are lower, 67 instead of 99.



    enter image description here



    We can track that back to the pages in the original Books table and the pages in the new table without the Text.



    Original Books table:



    enter image description here



    New BookUniqueTokens table



    enter image description here



    So, all the pages + (2 overhead pages?) are read from the clustered index.



    Why is there a difference, and why is the difference not bigger? After all the datasize difference is huge (Lob data <> No Lob data)



    Books Data space



    enter image description here



    BooksWithText Data space



    enter image description here



    The reason for this is ROW_OVERFLOW_DATA.



    When data gets bigger than 8kb the data is stored as ROW_OVERFLOW_DATA on different pages.



    Ok, if lob data is stored on different pages, why are the page sizes of these two clustered indexes not the same?



    Due to the 24 byte pointer added to the Clustered index to track each of these pages.
    After all, sql server needs to know where it can find the lob data.



    Source





    To answer your questions




    He claimed that [Text] column affects any select query on the
    UniqueToken column.




    And




    Does the existence of Text column affect this query's performance? If
    so, how can we optimized it?




    If the data stored is actually Lob Data, and the Query provided in the answer is used



    It does bring some overhead due to the 24 byte pointers.



    Depending on the executions / min not being crazy high, I would say that this is negligible, even with 100K records.



    Remember that this overhead only happens if an index that includes Text is used, such as the clustered index.



    But, what if the clustered index scan is used, and the lob data does not exceed 8kb?



    If the data does not exceed 8kb, and you have no index on UniqueToken,the overhead could be bigger . even when not selecting the Text column.



    Logical reads on 10k records when Text is only 137 characters long (all records):




    Table 'Books2'. Scan count 1, logical reads 419




    Due to all this extra data being on the clustered index pages.



    Again, an index on UniqueToken (Without including the Text column) will resolve this issue.



    As pointed out by @David Browne - Microsoft, you could also store the data off row, as to not add this overhead on the Clustered index when not selecting this Text Column.




    Also, if you do want the text stored off-row, you can force that
    without using a separate table. Just set the 'large value types out of
    row' option with sp_tableoption.
    docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/relational-databases




    TL;DR



    Based on the query given, indexing UniqueToken without including TEXT should resolve your troubles.
    Additionally, I would use a temporary table or table type to do the filtering instead of the IN statement.



    EDIT:




    yes there is a nonclustered index on UniqueToken




    Your example query is not touching the Text column, and based on the query this should be a covering index.



    If we test this on the three tables we previously used (UniqueToken + Lob data, Solely UniqueToken, UniqueToken + 137 Char data in nvarchar(max) column)



    CREATE INDEX [IX_Books_UniqueToken] ON Books(UniqueToken);
    CREATE INDEX [IX_BookUniqueTokens_UniqueToken] ON BookUniqueTokens(UniqueToken);
    CREATE INDEX [IX_Books2_UniqueToken] ON Books2(UniqueToken);


    The reads remain the same for these three tables, because the nonclustered index is used.



    Table 'Books'. Scan count 8, logical reads 16, physical reads 0, read-ahead reads 0, lob logical reads 0, lob physical reads 0, lob read-ahead reads 0.

    Table 'BookUniqueTokens'. Scan count 8, logical reads 16, physical reads 0, read-ahead reads 0, lob logical reads 0, lob physical reads 0, lob read-ahead reads 0.

    Table 'Books2'. Scan count 8, logical reads 16, physical reads 5, read-ahead reads 0, lob logical reads 0, lob physical reads 0, lob read-ahead reads 0.


    Additional details



    by @David Browne - Microsoft




    Also, if you do want the text stored off-row, you can force that
    without using a separate table. Just set the 'large value types out of
    row' option with sp_tableoption.
    docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/relational-databases/




    Remember that you have to rebuild your indexes for this to take effect on already populated data.



    By @Erik Darling



    On




    • MAX Data Types Do WHAT?


    Filtering on Lob data sucks.




    • Memory Grants and Data Size


    Your memory grants might go through the roof when using bigger datatypes, impacting performance.






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      Examples



      Consider your query with 8 filter predicates in your IN clause on a dataset of 10K records.



      select UniqueToken
      from Books
      where UniqueToken in
      (
      'Unique token 1',
      'Unique token 2',
      'Unique token 3',
      'Unique token 4',
      'Unique token 5',
      'Unique token 6',
      'Unique token 9999',
      'Unique token 5000'
      -- 10,000 items here
      );


      A clustered index scan is used, there are no other indexes present on this test table



      enter image description here



      With a data size of 216 Bytes.



      You should also note how even with 8 records, the OR filters are stacking up.



      The reads that happened on this table:



      enter image description here



      Credits to statisticsparser.



      When you include the Text column in the select part of your query, the actual data size changes drastically:



      select UniqueToken,Text
      from Books
      where UniqueToken in
      (
      'Unique token 1',
      'Unique token 2',
      'Unique token 3',
      'Unique token 4',
      'Unique token 5',
      'Unique token 6',
      'Unique token 9999',
      'Unique token 5000'
      -- 10,000 items here
      );


      Again, the Clustered index Scan with a residual predicate:



      enter image description here



      But with a dataset of 32KB.



      As there are almost 1000 lob logical reads:



      enter image description here



      Now, when we create the two tables in question, and fill them up with the same 10k records



      Executing the same select without Text. Remember that we had 99 Logical reads when using the Books Table.



      select UniqueToken
      from BookUniqueTokens
      where UniqueToken in
      (
      'Unique token 1',
      'Unique token 2',
      'Unique token 3',
      'Unique token 4',
      'Unique token 5',
      'Unique token 6',
      'Unique token 9999',
      'Unique token 5000'
      -- 10,000 items here
      )


      The reads on BookUniqueTokens are lower, 67 instead of 99.



      enter image description here



      We can track that back to the pages in the original Books table and the pages in the new table without the Text.



      Original Books table:



      enter image description here



      New BookUniqueTokens table



      enter image description here



      So, all the pages + (2 overhead pages?) are read from the clustered index.



      Why is there a difference, and why is the difference not bigger? After all the datasize difference is huge (Lob data <> No Lob data)



      Books Data space



      enter image description here



      BooksWithText Data space



      enter image description here



      The reason for this is ROW_OVERFLOW_DATA.



      When data gets bigger than 8kb the data is stored as ROW_OVERFLOW_DATA on different pages.



      Ok, if lob data is stored on different pages, why are the page sizes of these two clustered indexes not the same?



      Due to the 24 byte pointer added to the Clustered index to track each of these pages.
      After all, sql server needs to know where it can find the lob data.



      Source





      To answer your questions




      He claimed that [Text] column affects any select query on the
      UniqueToken column.




      And




      Does the existence of Text column affect this query's performance? If
      so, how can we optimized it?




      If the data stored is actually Lob Data, and the Query provided in the answer is used



      It does bring some overhead due to the 24 byte pointers.



      Depending on the executions / min not being crazy high, I would say that this is negligible, even with 100K records.



      Remember that this overhead only happens if an index that includes Text is used, such as the clustered index.



      But, what if the clustered index scan is used, and the lob data does not exceed 8kb?



      If the data does not exceed 8kb, and you have no index on UniqueToken,the overhead could be bigger . even when not selecting the Text column.



      Logical reads on 10k records when Text is only 137 characters long (all records):




      Table 'Books2'. Scan count 1, logical reads 419




      Due to all this extra data being on the clustered index pages.



      Again, an index on UniqueToken (Without including the Text column) will resolve this issue.



      As pointed out by @David Browne - Microsoft, you could also store the data off row, as to not add this overhead on the Clustered index when not selecting this Text Column.




      Also, if you do want the text stored off-row, you can force that
      without using a separate table. Just set the 'large value types out of
      row' option with sp_tableoption.
      docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/relational-databases




      TL;DR



      Based on the query given, indexing UniqueToken without including TEXT should resolve your troubles.
      Additionally, I would use a temporary table or table type to do the filtering instead of the IN statement.



      EDIT:




      yes there is a nonclustered index on UniqueToken




      Your example query is not touching the Text column, and based on the query this should be a covering index.



      If we test this on the three tables we previously used (UniqueToken + Lob data, Solely UniqueToken, UniqueToken + 137 Char data in nvarchar(max) column)



      CREATE INDEX [IX_Books_UniqueToken] ON Books(UniqueToken);
      CREATE INDEX [IX_BookUniqueTokens_UniqueToken] ON BookUniqueTokens(UniqueToken);
      CREATE INDEX [IX_Books2_UniqueToken] ON Books2(UniqueToken);


      The reads remain the same for these three tables, because the nonclustered index is used.



      Table 'Books'. Scan count 8, logical reads 16, physical reads 0, read-ahead reads 0, lob logical reads 0, lob physical reads 0, lob read-ahead reads 0.

      Table 'BookUniqueTokens'. Scan count 8, logical reads 16, physical reads 0, read-ahead reads 0, lob logical reads 0, lob physical reads 0, lob read-ahead reads 0.

      Table 'Books2'. Scan count 8, logical reads 16, physical reads 5, read-ahead reads 0, lob logical reads 0, lob physical reads 0, lob read-ahead reads 0.


      Additional details



      by @David Browne - Microsoft




      Also, if you do want the text stored off-row, you can force that
      without using a separate table. Just set the 'large value types out of
      row' option with sp_tableoption.
      docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/relational-databases/




      Remember that you have to rebuild your indexes for this to take effect on already populated data.



      By @Erik Darling



      On




      • MAX Data Types Do WHAT?


      Filtering on Lob data sucks.




      • Memory Grants and Data Size


      Your memory grants might go through the roof when using bigger datatypes, impacting performance.






      share|improve this answer




























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        6







        Examples



        Consider your query with 8 filter predicates in your IN clause on a dataset of 10K records.



        select UniqueToken
        from Books
        where UniqueToken in
        (
        'Unique token 1',
        'Unique token 2',
        'Unique token 3',
        'Unique token 4',
        'Unique token 5',
        'Unique token 6',
        'Unique token 9999',
        'Unique token 5000'
        -- 10,000 items here
        );


        A clustered index scan is used, there are no other indexes present on this test table



        enter image description here



        With a data size of 216 Bytes.



        You should also note how even with 8 records, the OR filters are stacking up.



        The reads that happened on this table:



        enter image description here



        Credits to statisticsparser.



        When you include the Text column in the select part of your query, the actual data size changes drastically:



        select UniqueToken,Text
        from Books
        where UniqueToken in
        (
        'Unique token 1',
        'Unique token 2',
        'Unique token 3',
        'Unique token 4',
        'Unique token 5',
        'Unique token 6',
        'Unique token 9999',
        'Unique token 5000'
        -- 10,000 items here
        );


        Again, the Clustered index Scan with a residual predicate:



        enter image description here



        But with a dataset of 32KB.



        As there are almost 1000 lob logical reads:



        enter image description here



        Now, when we create the two tables in question, and fill them up with the same 10k records



        Executing the same select without Text. Remember that we had 99 Logical reads when using the Books Table.



        select UniqueToken
        from BookUniqueTokens
        where UniqueToken in
        (
        'Unique token 1',
        'Unique token 2',
        'Unique token 3',
        'Unique token 4',
        'Unique token 5',
        'Unique token 6',
        'Unique token 9999',
        'Unique token 5000'
        -- 10,000 items here
        )


        The reads on BookUniqueTokens are lower, 67 instead of 99.



        enter image description here



        We can track that back to the pages in the original Books table and the pages in the new table without the Text.



        Original Books table:



        enter image description here



        New BookUniqueTokens table



        enter image description here



        So, all the pages + (2 overhead pages?) are read from the clustered index.



        Why is there a difference, and why is the difference not bigger? After all the datasize difference is huge (Lob data <> No Lob data)



        Books Data space



        enter image description here



        BooksWithText Data space



        enter image description here



        The reason for this is ROW_OVERFLOW_DATA.



        When data gets bigger than 8kb the data is stored as ROW_OVERFLOW_DATA on different pages.



        Ok, if lob data is stored on different pages, why are the page sizes of these two clustered indexes not the same?



        Due to the 24 byte pointer added to the Clustered index to track each of these pages.
        After all, sql server needs to know where it can find the lob data.



        Source





        To answer your questions




        He claimed that [Text] column affects any select query on the
        UniqueToken column.




        And




        Does the existence of Text column affect this query's performance? If
        so, how can we optimized it?




        If the data stored is actually Lob Data, and the Query provided in the answer is used



        It does bring some overhead due to the 24 byte pointers.



        Depending on the executions / min not being crazy high, I would say that this is negligible, even with 100K records.



        Remember that this overhead only happens if an index that includes Text is used, such as the clustered index.



        But, what if the clustered index scan is used, and the lob data does not exceed 8kb?



        If the data does not exceed 8kb, and you have no index on UniqueToken,the overhead could be bigger . even when not selecting the Text column.



        Logical reads on 10k records when Text is only 137 characters long (all records):




        Table 'Books2'. Scan count 1, logical reads 419




        Due to all this extra data being on the clustered index pages.



        Again, an index on UniqueToken (Without including the Text column) will resolve this issue.



        As pointed out by @David Browne - Microsoft, you could also store the data off row, as to not add this overhead on the Clustered index when not selecting this Text Column.




        Also, if you do want the text stored off-row, you can force that
        without using a separate table. Just set the 'large value types out of
        row' option with sp_tableoption.
        docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/relational-databases




        TL;DR



        Based on the query given, indexing UniqueToken without including TEXT should resolve your troubles.
        Additionally, I would use a temporary table or table type to do the filtering instead of the IN statement.



        EDIT:




        yes there is a nonclustered index on UniqueToken




        Your example query is not touching the Text column, and based on the query this should be a covering index.



        If we test this on the three tables we previously used (UniqueToken + Lob data, Solely UniqueToken, UniqueToken + 137 Char data in nvarchar(max) column)



        CREATE INDEX [IX_Books_UniqueToken] ON Books(UniqueToken);
        CREATE INDEX [IX_BookUniqueTokens_UniqueToken] ON BookUniqueTokens(UniqueToken);
        CREATE INDEX [IX_Books2_UniqueToken] ON Books2(UniqueToken);


        The reads remain the same for these three tables, because the nonclustered index is used.



        Table 'Books'. Scan count 8, logical reads 16, physical reads 0, read-ahead reads 0, lob logical reads 0, lob physical reads 0, lob read-ahead reads 0.

        Table 'BookUniqueTokens'. Scan count 8, logical reads 16, physical reads 0, read-ahead reads 0, lob logical reads 0, lob physical reads 0, lob read-ahead reads 0.

        Table 'Books2'. Scan count 8, logical reads 16, physical reads 5, read-ahead reads 0, lob logical reads 0, lob physical reads 0, lob read-ahead reads 0.


        Additional details



        by @David Browne - Microsoft




        Also, if you do want the text stored off-row, you can force that
        without using a separate table. Just set the 'large value types out of
        row' option with sp_tableoption.
        docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/relational-databases/




        Remember that you have to rebuild your indexes for this to take effect on already populated data.



        By @Erik Darling



        On




        • MAX Data Types Do WHAT?


        Filtering on Lob data sucks.




        • Memory Grants and Data Size


        Your memory grants might go through the roof when using bigger datatypes, impacting performance.






        share|improve this answer















        Examples



        Consider your query with 8 filter predicates in your IN clause on a dataset of 10K records.



        select UniqueToken
        from Books
        where UniqueToken in
        (
        'Unique token 1',
        'Unique token 2',
        'Unique token 3',
        'Unique token 4',
        'Unique token 5',
        'Unique token 6',
        'Unique token 9999',
        'Unique token 5000'
        -- 10,000 items here
        );


        A clustered index scan is used, there are no other indexes present on this test table



        enter image description here



        With a data size of 216 Bytes.



        You should also note how even with 8 records, the OR filters are stacking up.



        The reads that happened on this table:



        enter image description here



        Credits to statisticsparser.



        When you include the Text column in the select part of your query, the actual data size changes drastically:



        select UniqueToken,Text
        from Books
        where UniqueToken in
        (
        'Unique token 1',
        'Unique token 2',
        'Unique token 3',
        'Unique token 4',
        'Unique token 5',
        'Unique token 6',
        'Unique token 9999',
        'Unique token 5000'
        -- 10,000 items here
        );


        Again, the Clustered index Scan with a residual predicate:



        enter image description here



        But with a dataset of 32KB.



        As there are almost 1000 lob logical reads:



        enter image description here



        Now, when we create the two tables in question, and fill them up with the same 10k records



        Executing the same select without Text. Remember that we had 99 Logical reads when using the Books Table.



        select UniqueToken
        from BookUniqueTokens
        where UniqueToken in
        (
        'Unique token 1',
        'Unique token 2',
        'Unique token 3',
        'Unique token 4',
        'Unique token 5',
        'Unique token 6',
        'Unique token 9999',
        'Unique token 5000'
        -- 10,000 items here
        )


        The reads on BookUniqueTokens are lower, 67 instead of 99.



        enter image description here



        We can track that back to the pages in the original Books table and the pages in the new table without the Text.



        Original Books table:



        enter image description here



        New BookUniqueTokens table



        enter image description here



        So, all the pages + (2 overhead pages?) are read from the clustered index.



        Why is there a difference, and why is the difference not bigger? After all the datasize difference is huge (Lob data <> No Lob data)



        Books Data space



        enter image description here



        BooksWithText Data space



        enter image description here



        The reason for this is ROW_OVERFLOW_DATA.



        When data gets bigger than 8kb the data is stored as ROW_OVERFLOW_DATA on different pages.



        Ok, if lob data is stored on different pages, why are the page sizes of these two clustered indexes not the same?



        Due to the 24 byte pointer added to the Clustered index to track each of these pages.
        After all, sql server needs to know where it can find the lob data.



        Source





        To answer your questions




        He claimed that [Text] column affects any select query on the
        UniqueToken column.




        And




        Does the existence of Text column affect this query's performance? If
        so, how can we optimized it?




        If the data stored is actually Lob Data, and the Query provided in the answer is used



        It does bring some overhead due to the 24 byte pointers.



        Depending on the executions / min not being crazy high, I would say that this is negligible, even with 100K records.



        Remember that this overhead only happens if an index that includes Text is used, such as the clustered index.



        But, what if the clustered index scan is used, and the lob data does not exceed 8kb?



        If the data does not exceed 8kb, and you have no index on UniqueToken,the overhead could be bigger . even when not selecting the Text column.



        Logical reads on 10k records when Text is only 137 characters long (all records):




        Table 'Books2'. Scan count 1, logical reads 419




        Due to all this extra data being on the clustered index pages.



        Again, an index on UniqueToken (Without including the Text column) will resolve this issue.



        As pointed out by @David Browne - Microsoft, you could also store the data off row, as to not add this overhead on the Clustered index when not selecting this Text Column.




        Also, if you do want the text stored off-row, you can force that
        without using a separate table. Just set the 'large value types out of
        row' option with sp_tableoption.
        docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/relational-databases




        TL;DR



        Based on the query given, indexing UniqueToken without including TEXT should resolve your troubles.
        Additionally, I would use a temporary table or table type to do the filtering instead of the IN statement.



        EDIT:




        yes there is a nonclustered index on UniqueToken




        Your example query is not touching the Text column, and based on the query this should be a covering index.



        If we test this on the three tables we previously used (UniqueToken + Lob data, Solely UniqueToken, UniqueToken + 137 Char data in nvarchar(max) column)



        CREATE INDEX [IX_Books_UniqueToken] ON Books(UniqueToken);
        CREATE INDEX [IX_BookUniqueTokens_UniqueToken] ON BookUniqueTokens(UniqueToken);
        CREATE INDEX [IX_Books2_UniqueToken] ON Books2(UniqueToken);


        The reads remain the same for these three tables, because the nonclustered index is used.



        Table 'Books'. Scan count 8, logical reads 16, physical reads 0, read-ahead reads 0, lob logical reads 0, lob physical reads 0, lob read-ahead reads 0.

        Table 'BookUniqueTokens'. Scan count 8, logical reads 16, physical reads 0, read-ahead reads 0, lob logical reads 0, lob physical reads 0, lob read-ahead reads 0.

        Table 'Books2'. Scan count 8, logical reads 16, physical reads 5, read-ahead reads 0, lob logical reads 0, lob physical reads 0, lob read-ahead reads 0.


        Additional details



        by @David Browne - Microsoft




        Also, if you do want the text stored off-row, you can force that
        without using a separate table. Just set the 'large value types out of
        row' option with sp_tableoption.
        docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/relational-databases/




        Remember that you have to rebuild your indexes for this to take effect on already populated data.



        By @Erik Darling



        On




        • MAX Data Types Do WHAT?


        Filtering on Lob data sucks.




        • Memory Grants and Data Size


        Your memory grants might go through the roof when using bigger datatypes, impacting performance.







        share|improve this answer














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