What's a good way to classify railguns?












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Most weapons and artillery are split by bore diameter, e.g. naval rifles of 203mm, 406mm etc.



Railguns and coilguns probably won't be classified the same way, I think. Cause if multiple models use a 25mm slug or what have you, but they perform differently, what's a good way to separate them?



Muzzle velocity? Like a 2km/s railgun versus a 5km/s one? Or input energy? That then puts forth what's a "realistic" number to power a railgun? Output energy/impact energy have the same problem.










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  • I think velocity such as mach 10 etc
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  • Phased plasma rifle in the forty watt range. - The "realistic" number is in watts. You'd like to think that muzzle velocity would tell you all you need to know, but joules is really the the only important part. Most ammunition has a second number denoting its case length, but these are caseless.
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Most weapons and artillery are split by bore diameter, e.g. naval rifles of 203mm, 406mm etc.



Railguns and coilguns probably won't be classified the same way, I think. Cause if multiple models use a 25mm slug or what have you, but they perform differently, what's a good way to separate them?



Muzzle velocity? Like a 2km/s railgun versus a 5km/s one? Or input energy? That then puts forth what's a "realistic" number to power a railgun? Output energy/impact energy have the same problem.










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  • I think velocity such as mach 10 etc
    – user6760
    3 hours ago










  • Phased plasma rifle in the forty watt range. - The "realistic" number is in watts. You'd like to think that muzzle velocity would tell you all you need to know, but joules is really the the only important part. Most ammunition has a second number denoting its case length, but these are caseless.
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Most weapons and artillery are split by bore diameter, e.g. naval rifles of 203mm, 406mm etc.



Railguns and coilguns probably won't be classified the same way, I think. Cause if multiple models use a 25mm slug or what have you, but they perform differently, what's a good way to separate them?



Muzzle velocity? Like a 2km/s railgun versus a 5km/s one? Or input energy? That then puts forth what's a "realistic" number to power a railgun? Output energy/impact energy have the same problem.










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Most weapons and artillery are split by bore diameter, e.g. naval rifles of 203mm, 406mm etc.



Railguns and coilguns probably won't be classified the same way, I think. Cause if multiple models use a 25mm slug or what have you, but they perform differently, what's a good way to separate them?



Muzzle velocity? Like a 2km/s railgun versus a 5km/s one? Or input energy? That then puts forth what's a "realistic" number to power a railgun? Output energy/impact energy have the same problem.







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  • I think velocity such as mach 10 etc
    – user6760
    3 hours ago










  • Phased plasma rifle in the forty watt range. - The "realistic" number is in watts. You'd like to think that muzzle velocity would tell you all you need to know, but joules is really the the only important part. Most ammunition has a second number denoting its case length, but these are caseless.
    – Mazura
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  • I think velocity such as mach 10 etc
    – user6760
    3 hours ago










  • Phased plasma rifle in the forty watt range. - The "realistic" number is in watts. You'd like to think that muzzle velocity would tell you all you need to know, but joules is really the the only important part. Most ammunition has a second number denoting its case length, but these are caseless.
    – Mazura
    21 mins ago


















I think velocity such as mach 10 etc
– user6760
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I think velocity such as mach 10 etc
– user6760
3 hours ago












Phased plasma rifle in the forty watt range. - The "realistic" number is in watts. You'd like to think that muzzle velocity would tell you all you need to know, but joules is really the the only important part. Most ammunition has a second number denoting its case length, but these are caseless.
– Mazura
21 mins ago






Phased plasma rifle in the forty watt range. - The "realistic" number is in watts. You'd like to think that muzzle velocity would tell you all you need to know, but joules is really the the only important part. Most ammunition has a second number denoting its case length, but these are caseless.
– Mazura
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Gauss




The gauss, abbreviated as G or Gs, is the cgs unit of measurement of magnetic flux density (or "magnetic induction") (B). It is named after German mathematician and physicist Carl Friedrich Gauss.1[2] One gauss is defined as one maxwell per square centimeter. The cgs system has been superseded by the International System of Units (SI), which uses the tesla (symbol T) as the unit of magnetic flux density.[3] One gauss equals 1×10−4 tesla (100 μT), so 1 tesla = 10,000 gauss.




I would say the best way to rate a railgun is by its Gs output.






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  • Durr. But then as mentioned, what's a good range of "realistic" numbers a future society would have on their power output? I mean, if you know. I'm about to go do some googling
    – armorhide406
    3 hours ago






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    Useless. That doesn't tell anyone what the round will do. Gauss is only of interest to weapon designers, not to their users.
    – Monty Wild
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  • Look up an ammunition on Wiki. Scroll down the side bar until you get to "Ballistic performance" : velocity should tell you how far it will go. joules (energy) tells you what it will do when it gets there. That's how all firearms should be rated.
    – Mazura
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As with artillery there should be some sub-types, say howitzer 88mm is quite different from a 88mm anti-air gun.



Same logic can be applied to railguns, but with the main metric being for example impact energy.



Let's say a navy 2MJ railgun with a range of 100 km, or a 50kJ man-portable one with penetration ability of 2000 mm plate steel at 5 km, etc.






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  • J = joules (the SI unit of energy) +1
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[ammunition diameter] by [exit velocity]



Essentially, you notate the diameter of the weapon's accommodation, and then notate how fast it can get a slug of that size going. That latter would probably be a range of velocities, given that different lengths of slug will take different energy inputs to accelerate.



Also consider if you want to be able to shoot to wound instead of shooting to kill. Chemical propulsion doesn't allow for that, but a railpistol might.






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  • Without length, you can't know the potential penetration.
    – Monty Wild
    1 hour ago










  • @MontyWild - Length doesn't really matter until it's way out of proportion. Projectiles are classified by weight in grains.
    – Mazura
    7 mins ago



















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Ammunition diameter x ammunition length x launch velocity, also including muzzle energy for those who don't want to work it out for themselves. They'll almost all be Armour Piercing Fin Stabilised Discarding Sabot (APFSDS) so that need not be mentioned unless different in some way, e.g.:



5x50mm 5km/s 98kJ Steel



This could be a man-portable crew-served tripod weapon or vehicle mounted railgun firing steel flechettes



Or, a more terrifying ship-launched:



50x1000mm 7km/s 919MJ DU Guided



Which would be a depleted uranium flechette with a guidance package used for bunker busting.



Or a tank-launched:



20x400mm 4km/s 19.2MJ DU



That pretty much gives all the information that anyone with any knowledge of ballistics would need to work out the terminal effects of the round and its flight performance.






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  • Micro Missiles combined into a compact rifle platform? - That question needs this answer: Fin Stabilised Discarding Sabots, albeit somehow guided.
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Gauss




The gauss, abbreviated as G or Gs, is the cgs unit of measurement of magnetic flux density (or "magnetic induction") (B). It is named after German mathematician and physicist Carl Friedrich Gauss.1[2] One gauss is defined as one maxwell per square centimeter. The cgs system has been superseded by the International System of Units (SI), which uses the tesla (symbol T) as the unit of magnetic flux density.[3] One gauss equals 1×10−4 tesla (100 μT), so 1 tesla = 10,000 gauss.




I would say the best way to rate a railgun is by its Gs output.






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  • Durr. But then as mentioned, what's a good range of "realistic" numbers a future society would have on their power output? I mean, if you know. I'm about to go do some googling
    – armorhide406
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    Useless. That doesn't tell anyone what the round will do. Gauss is only of interest to weapon designers, not to their users.
    – Monty Wild
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  • Look up an ammunition on Wiki. Scroll down the side bar until you get to "Ballistic performance" : velocity should tell you how far it will go. joules (energy) tells you what it will do when it gets there. That's how all firearms should be rated.
    – Mazura
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Gauss




The gauss, abbreviated as G or Gs, is the cgs unit of measurement of magnetic flux density (or "magnetic induction") (B). It is named after German mathematician and physicist Carl Friedrich Gauss.1[2] One gauss is defined as one maxwell per square centimeter. The cgs system has been superseded by the International System of Units (SI), which uses the tesla (symbol T) as the unit of magnetic flux density.[3] One gauss equals 1×10−4 tesla (100 μT), so 1 tesla = 10,000 gauss.




I would say the best way to rate a railgun is by its Gs output.






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  • Durr. But then as mentioned, what's a good range of "realistic" numbers a future society would have on their power output? I mean, if you know. I'm about to go do some googling
    – armorhide406
    3 hours ago






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    Useless. That doesn't tell anyone what the round will do. Gauss is only of interest to weapon designers, not to their users.
    – Monty Wild
    1 hour ago










  • Look up an ammunition on Wiki. Scroll down the side bar until you get to "Ballistic performance" : velocity should tell you how far it will go. joules (energy) tells you what it will do when it gets there. That's how all firearms should be rated.
    – Mazura
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Gauss




The gauss, abbreviated as G or Gs, is the cgs unit of measurement of magnetic flux density (or "magnetic induction") (B). It is named after German mathematician and physicist Carl Friedrich Gauss.1[2] One gauss is defined as one maxwell per square centimeter. The cgs system has been superseded by the International System of Units (SI), which uses the tesla (symbol T) as the unit of magnetic flux density.[3] One gauss equals 1×10−4 tesla (100 μT), so 1 tesla = 10,000 gauss.




I would say the best way to rate a railgun is by its Gs output.






share|improve this answer












Gauss




The gauss, abbreviated as G or Gs, is the cgs unit of measurement of magnetic flux density (or "magnetic induction") (B). It is named after German mathematician and physicist Carl Friedrich Gauss.1[2] One gauss is defined as one maxwell per square centimeter. The cgs system has been superseded by the International System of Units (SI), which uses the tesla (symbol T) as the unit of magnetic flux density.[3] One gauss equals 1×10−4 tesla (100 μT), so 1 tesla = 10,000 gauss.




I would say the best way to rate a railgun is by its Gs output.







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  • Durr. But then as mentioned, what's a good range of "realistic" numbers a future society would have on their power output? I mean, if you know. I'm about to go do some googling
    – armorhide406
    3 hours ago






  • 1




    Useless. That doesn't tell anyone what the round will do. Gauss is only of interest to weapon designers, not to their users.
    – Monty Wild
    1 hour ago










  • Look up an ammunition on Wiki. Scroll down the side bar until you get to "Ballistic performance" : velocity should tell you how far it will go. joules (energy) tells you what it will do when it gets there. That's how all firearms should be rated.
    – Mazura
    14 mins ago




















  • Durr. But then as mentioned, what's a good range of "realistic" numbers a future society would have on their power output? I mean, if you know. I'm about to go do some googling
    – armorhide406
    3 hours ago






  • 1




    Useless. That doesn't tell anyone what the round will do. Gauss is only of interest to weapon designers, not to their users.
    – Monty Wild
    1 hour ago










  • Look up an ammunition on Wiki. Scroll down the side bar until you get to "Ballistic performance" : velocity should tell you how far it will go. joules (energy) tells you what it will do when it gets there. That's how all firearms should be rated.
    – Mazura
    14 mins ago


















Durr. But then as mentioned, what's a good range of "realistic" numbers a future society would have on their power output? I mean, if you know. I'm about to go do some googling
– armorhide406
3 hours ago




Durr. But then as mentioned, what's a good range of "realistic" numbers a future society would have on their power output? I mean, if you know. I'm about to go do some googling
– armorhide406
3 hours ago




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Useless. That doesn't tell anyone what the round will do. Gauss is only of interest to weapon designers, not to their users.
– Monty Wild
1 hour ago




Useless. That doesn't tell anyone what the round will do. Gauss is only of interest to weapon designers, not to their users.
– Monty Wild
1 hour ago












Look up an ammunition on Wiki. Scroll down the side bar until you get to "Ballistic performance" : velocity should tell you how far it will go. joules (energy) tells you what it will do when it gets there. That's how all firearms should be rated.
– Mazura
14 mins ago






Look up an ammunition on Wiki. Scroll down the side bar until you get to "Ballistic performance" : velocity should tell you how far it will go. joules (energy) tells you what it will do when it gets there. That's how all firearms should be rated.
– Mazura
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As with artillery there should be some sub-types, say howitzer 88mm is quite different from a 88mm anti-air gun.



Same logic can be applied to railguns, but with the main metric being for example impact energy.



Let's say a navy 2MJ railgun with a range of 100 km, or a 50kJ man-portable one with penetration ability of 2000 mm plate steel at 5 km, etc.






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  • J = joules (the SI unit of energy) +1
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As with artillery there should be some sub-types, say howitzer 88mm is quite different from a 88mm anti-air gun.



Same logic can be applied to railguns, but with the main metric being for example impact energy.



Let's say a navy 2MJ railgun with a range of 100 km, or a 50kJ man-portable one with penetration ability of 2000 mm plate steel at 5 km, etc.






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  • J = joules (the SI unit of energy) +1
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As with artillery there should be some sub-types, say howitzer 88mm is quite different from a 88mm anti-air gun.



Same logic can be applied to railguns, but with the main metric being for example impact energy.



Let's say a navy 2MJ railgun with a range of 100 km, or a 50kJ man-portable one with penetration ability of 2000 mm plate steel at 5 km, etc.






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As with artillery there should be some sub-types, say howitzer 88mm is quite different from a 88mm anti-air gun.



Same logic can be applied to railguns, but with the main metric being for example impact energy.



Let's say a navy 2MJ railgun with a range of 100 km, or a 50kJ man-portable one with penetration ability of 2000 mm plate steel at 5 km, etc.







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  • J = joules (the SI unit of energy) +1
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  • J = joules (the SI unit of energy) +1
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J = joules (the SI unit of energy) +1
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J = joules (the SI unit of energy) +1
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[ammunition diameter] by [exit velocity]



Essentially, you notate the diameter of the weapon's accommodation, and then notate how fast it can get a slug of that size going. That latter would probably be a range of velocities, given that different lengths of slug will take different energy inputs to accelerate.



Also consider if you want to be able to shoot to wound instead of shooting to kill. Chemical propulsion doesn't allow for that, but a railpistol might.






share|improve this answer





















  • Without length, you can't know the potential penetration.
    – Monty Wild
    1 hour ago










  • @MontyWild - Length doesn't really matter until it's way out of proportion. Projectiles are classified by weight in grains.
    – Mazura
    7 mins ago
















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[ammunition diameter] by [exit velocity]



Essentially, you notate the diameter of the weapon's accommodation, and then notate how fast it can get a slug of that size going. That latter would probably be a range of velocities, given that different lengths of slug will take different energy inputs to accelerate.



Also consider if you want to be able to shoot to wound instead of shooting to kill. Chemical propulsion doesn't allow for that, but a railpistol might.






share|improve this answer





















  • Without length, you can't know the potential penetration.
    – Monty Wild
    1 hour ago










  • @MontyWild - Length doesn't really matter until it's way out of proportion. Projectiles are classified by weight in grains.
    – Mazura
    7 mins ago














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[ammunition diameter] by [exit velocity]



Essentially, you notate the diameter of the weapon's accommodation, and then notate how fast it can get a slug of that size going. That latter would probably be a range of velocities, given that different lengths of slug will take different energy inputs to accelerate.



Also consider if you want to be able to shoot to wound instead of shooting to kill. Chemical propulsion doesn't allow for that, but a railpistol might.






share|improve this answer












[ammunition diameter] by [exit velocity]



Essentially, you notate the diameter of the weapon's accommodation, and then notate how fast it can get a slug of that size going. That latter would probably be a range of velocities, given that different lengths of slug will take different energy inputs to accelerate.



Also consider if you want to be able to shoot to wound instead of shooting to kill. Chemical propulsion doesn't allow for that, but a railpistol might.







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  • Without length, you can't know the potential penetration.
    – Monty Wild
    1 hour ago










  • @MontyWild - Length doesn't really matter until it's way out of proportion. Projectiles are classified by weight in grains.
    – Mazura
    7 mins ago


















  • Without length, you can't know the potential penetration.
    – Monty Wild
    1 hour ago










  • @MontyWild - Length doesn't really matter until it's way out of proportion. Projectiles are classified by weight in grains.
    – Mazura
    7 mins ago
















Without length, you can't know the potential penetration.
– Monty Wild
1 hour ago




Without length, you can't know the potential penetration.
– Monty Wild
1 hour ago












@MontyWild - Length doesn't really matter until it's way out of proportion. Projectiles are classified by weight in grains.
– Mazura
7 mins ago




@MontyWild - Length doesn't really matter until it's way out of proportion. Projectiles are classified by weight in grains.
– Mazura
7 mins ago











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Ammunition diameter x ammunition length x launch velocity, also including muzzle energy for those who don't want to work it out for themselves. They'll almost all be Armour Piercing Fin Stabilised Discarding Sabot (APFSDS) so that need not be mentioned unless different in some way, e.g.:



5x50mm 5km/s 98kJ Steel



This could be a man-portable crew-served tripod weapon or vehicle mounted railgun firing steel flechettes



Or, a more terrifying ship-launched:



50x1000mm 7km/s 919MJ DU Guided



Which would be a depleted uranium flechette with a guidance package used for bunker busting.



Or a tank-launched:



20x400mm 4km/s 19.2MJ DU



That pretty much gives all the information that anyone with any knowledge of ballistics would need to work out the terminal effects of the round and its flight performance.






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  • Micro Missiles combined into a compact rifle platform? - That question needs this answer: Fin Stabilised Discarding Sabots, albeit somehow guided.
    – Mazura
    5 mins ago


















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Ammunition diameter x ammunition length x launch velocity, also including muzzle energy for those who don't want to work it out for themselves. They'll almost all be Armour Piercing Fin Stabilised Discarding Sabot (APFSDS) so that need not be mentioned unless different in some way, e.g.:



5x50mm 5km/s 98kJ Steel



This could be a man-portable crew-served tripod weapon or vehicle mounted railgun firing steel flechettes



Or, a more terrifying ship-launched:



50x1000mm 7km/s 919MJ DU Guided



Which would be a depleted uranium flechette with a guidance package used for bunker busting.



Or a tank-launched:



20x400mm 4km/s 19.2MJ DU



That pretty much gives all the information that anyone with any knowledge of ballistics would need to work out the terminal effects of the round and its flight performance.






share|improve this answer























  • Micro Missiles combined into a compact rifle platform? - That question needs this answer: Fin Stabilised Discarding Sabots, albeit somehow guided.
    – Mazura
    5 mins ago
















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Ammunition diameter x ammunition length x launch velocity, also including muzzle energy for those who don't want to work it out for themselves. They'll almost all be Armour Piercing Fin Stabilised Discarding Sabot (APFSDS) so that need not be mentioned unless different in some way, e.g.:



5x50mm 5km/s 98kJ Steel



This could be a man-portable crew-served tripod weapon or vehicle mounted railgun firing steel flechettes



Or, a more terrifying ship-launched:



50x1000mm 7km/s 919MJ DU Guided



Which would be a depleted uranium flechette with a guidance package used for bunker busting.



Or a tank-launched:



20x400mm 4km/s 19.2MJ DU



That pretty much gives all the information that anyone with any knowledge of ballistics would need to work out the terminal effects of the round and its flight performance.






share|improve this answer














Ammunition diameter x ammunition length x launch velocity, also including muzzle energy for those who don't want to work it out for themselves. They'll almost all be Armour Piercing Fin Stabilised Discarding Sabot (APFSDS) so that need not be mentioned unless different in some way, e.g.:



5x50mm 5km/s 98kJ Steel



This could be a man-portable crew-served tripod weapon or vehicle mounted railgun firing steel flechettes



Or, a more terrifying ship-launched:



50x1000mm 7km/s 919MJ DU Guided



Which would be a depleted uranium flechette with a guidance package used for bunker busting.



Or a tank-launched:



20x400mm 4km/s 19.2MJ DU



That pretty much gives all the information that anyone with any knowledge of ballistics would need to work out the terminal effects of the round and its flight performance.







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  • Micro Missiles combined into a compact rifle platform? - That question needs this answer: Fin Stabilised Discarding Sabots, albeit somehow guided.
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  • Micro Missiles combined into a compact rifle platform? - That question needs this answer: Fin Stabilised Discarding Sabots, albeit somehow guided.
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Micro Missiles combined into a compact rifle platform? - That question needs this answer: Fin Stabilised Discarding Sabots, albeit somehow guided.
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