Charaterize the boundary of the set ${A in star: max_i text{Re}(lambda_i(A)) < 0}$ where $star$ is some...
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Let us parametrize $M_5(mathbb R)$ by 10 parameters $(a_1, dots a_5, b_1, dots, b_5)$ in following way
begin{align}
tag{$star$}
A = begin{pmatrix}
0 & -a_1 & 0 & 0 & -b_1 \
1 & -a_2 & 0 & 0 & -b_2 \
0 & -a_3 & 0 & 0 & -b_3 \
0 & -a_4 & 1 & 0 & -b_4 \
0 & -a_5 & 0 &1 & -b_5
end{pmatrix}.
end{align}
Let us define a set $mathcal H$ and $mathcal E$ by
begin{align*}
&mathcal H = {A in (star): max_i text{Re}(lambda_i(A)) < 0},\
&mathcal E = {A in (star): max_i text{Re}(lambda_i(A)) = 0},
end{align*}
i.e., matrices parametrized as $star$ having the largest real part of all eigenvalues lying on the left open half plane and imaginary axis respectively. Naively, I would think the boundary of $H$ is given by $partial H = mathcal E$. But I have not been able to prove it. Obviously $partial H subset mathcal E$.
Let
begin{align*}
mathcal F = {A in mathcal E: A text{ has distinct eigenvalues}}.
end{align*}
I have shown $mathcal H$ is connected and for every $M in mathcal F$, I can show $M in partial H$. But no further. I tried to show $mathcal F$ is dense in $mathcal E$ but according to an answer here Are matrices diagonalizable dense in a specific parametrization of $M_5(mathbb R)$?, it is not an easy question to answer.
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Let us parametrize $M_5(mathbb R)$ by 10 parameters $(a_1, dots a_5, b_1, dots, b_5)$ in following way
begin{align}
tag{$star$}
A = begin{pmatrix}
0 & -a_1 & 0 & 0 & -b_1 \
1 & -a_2 & 0 & 0 & -b_2 \
0 & -a_3 & 0 & 0 & -b_3 \
0 & -a_4 & 1 & 0 & -b_4 \
0 & -a_5 & 0 &1 & -b_5
end{pmatrix}.
end{align}
Let us define a set $mathcal H$ and $mathcal E$ by
begin{align*}
&mathcal H = {A in (star): max_i text{Re}(lambda_i(A)) < 0},\
&mathcal E = {A in (star): max_i text{Re}(lambda_i(A)) = 0},
end{align*}
i.e., matrices parametrized as $star$ having the largest real part of all eigenvalues lying on the left open half plane and imaginary axis respectively. Naively, I would think the boundary of $H$ is given by $partial H = mathcal E$. But I have not been able to prove it. Obviously $partial H subset mathcal E$.
Let
begin{align*}
mathcal F = {A in mathcal E: A text{ has distinct eigenvalues}}.
end{align*}
I have shown $mathcal H$ is connected and for every $M in mathcal F$, I can show $M in partial H$. But no further. I tried to show $mathcal F$ is dense in $mathcal E$ but according to an answer here Are matrices diagonalizable dense in a specific parametrization of $M_5(mathbb R)$?, it is not an easy question to answer.
linear-algebra abstract-algebra general-topology
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Let us parametrize $M_5(mathbb R)$ by 10 parameters $(a_1, dots a_5, b_1, dots, b_5)$ in following way
begin{align}
tag{$star$}
A = begin{pmatrix}
0 & -a_1 & 0 & 0 & -b_1 \
1 & -a_2 & 0 & 0 & -b_2 \
0 & -a_3 & 0 & 0 & -b_3 \
0 & -a_4 & 1 & 0 & -b_4 \
0 & -a_5 & 0 &1 & -b_5
end{pmatrix}.
end{align}
Let us define a set $mathcal H$ and $mathcal E$ by
begin{align*}
&mathcal H = {A in (star): max_i text{Re}(lambda_i(A)) < 0},\
&mathcal E = {A in (star): max_i text{Re}(lambda_i(A)) = 0},
end{align*}
i.e., matrices parametrized as $star$ having the largest real part of all eigenvalues lying on the left open half plane and imaginary axis respectively. Naively, I would think the boundary of $H$ is given by $partial H = mathcal E$. But I have not been able to prove it. Obviously $partial H subset mathcal E$.
Let
begin{align*}
mathcal F = {A in mathcal E: A text{ has distinct eigenvalues}}.
end{align*}
I have shown $mathcal H$ is connected and for every $M in mathcal F$, I can show $M in partial H$. But no further. I tried to show $mathcal F$ is dense in $mathcal E$ but according to an answer here Are matrices diagonalizable dense in a specific parametrization of $M_5(mathbb R)$?, it is not an easy question to answer.
linear-algebra abstract-algebra general-topology
Let us parametrize $M_5(mathbb R)$ by 10 parameters $(a_1, dots a_5, b_1, dots, b_5)$ in following way
begin{align}
tag{$star$}
A = begin{pmatrix}
0 & -a_1 & 0 & 0 & -b_1 \
1 & -a_2 & 0 & 0 & -b_2 \
0 & -a_3 & 0 & 0 & -b_3 \
0 & -a_4 & 1 & 0 & -b_4 \
0 & -a_5 & 0 &1 & -b_5
end{pmatrix}.
end{align}
Let us define a set $mathcal H$ and $mathcal E$ by
begin{align*}
&mathcal H = {A in (star): max_i text{Re}(lambda_i(A)) < 0},\
&mathcal E = {A in (star): max_i text{Re}(lambda_i(A)) = 0},
end{align*}
i.e., matrices parametrized as $star$ having the largest real part of all eigenvalues lying on the left open half plane and imaginary axis respectively. Naively, I would think the boundary of $H$ is given by $partial H = mathcal E$. But I have not been able to prove it. Obviously $partial H subset mathcal E$.
Let
begin{align*}
mathcal F = {A in mathcal E: A text{ has distinct eigenvalues}}.
end{align*}
I have shown $mathcal H$ is connected and for every $M in mathcal F$, I can show $M in partial H$. But no further. I tried to show $mathcal F$ is dense in $mathcal E$ but according to an answer here Are matrices diagonalizable dense in a specific parametrization of $M_5(mathbb R)$?, it is not an easy question to answer.
linear-algebra abstract-algebra general-topology
linear-algebra abstract-algebra general-topology
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A partial answer.
Let $A=((a_i),(b_i))in star$.
Let $f:(a_i),(b_i)inmathbb{R}^{10}rightarrow chi_A(x)in Zapprox mathbb{R}^5$,
where $Z$ is the set of monic real polynomials of degree $5$.
$textbf{Proposition}$. If $Ainmathcal{E},rank(Df_A)=5$, then there is a sequence in $mathcal{H}$ that tends to $A$.
$textbf{Proof}$. There are a neighborhood $U$ of $(a_i,b_j)$ and a neighborhood $V$ of $chi_A$ -a polynomial that admits roots $u_1,cdots,u_k$ with $<0$ real part and roots $v_1,cdots,v_{5-k}$ with $0$ real part- and charts $psi,phi$ of $U,V$ s.t.
$psi^{-1}circ fcircphi$ is the projection $(x_i)_{ileq 10}inmathbb{R}^{10}rightarrow (x_i)_{ileq 5}inmathbb{R}^5$.
In $V$, there is a polynomial $q$ that admits the roots $u_1,cdots,u_k,v'_1,cdots,v'_{5-k}$ where the $v'_i$ have $<0$ real part. It suffices to consider a small perturbation of $psi^{-1}(phi(q),0_5)$ (in order to obtain distinct roots). $square$
For a generic $A$, $rank(Df_A)=5$ and we may use the above proposition. Unfortunately, in general, $rank(Df_A)geq 3$ and, in particular, $rank(Df_A)=3$ when the $(a_i),(b_j)$ are $0$.
In this last case, despite many random tests, I did not find small variations that send $A$ to an element of $mathcal{H}$.
Thanks for your answer. May I ask how you compute the rank of the differential? Do you computer the formula for characteristic polynomial and then look at the differential matrix? Or is there some clever way to see it?
– user9527
Nov 15 at 0:01
No, I calculate the coefficients of the characteristic polynomial.
– loup blanc
Nov 15 at 11:10
Thanks for the bounty.
– loup blanc
4 hours ago
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A partial answer.
Let $A=((a_i),(b_i))in star$.
Let $f:(a_i),(b_i)inmathbb{R}^{10}rightarrow chi_A(x)in Zapprox mathbb{R}^5$,
where $Z$ is the set of monic real polynomials of degree $5$.
$textbf{Proposition}$. If $Ainmathcal{E},rank(Df_A)=5$, then there is a sequence in $mathcal{H}$ that tends to $A$.
$textbf{Proof}$. There are a neighborhood $U$ of $(a_i,b_j)$ and a neighborhood $V$ of $chi_A$ -a polynomial that admits roots $u_1,cdots,u_k$ with $<0$ real part and roots $v_1,cdots,v_{5-k}$ with $0$ real part- and charts $psi,phi$ of $U,V$ s.t.
$psi^{-1}circ fcircphi$ is the projection $(x_i)_{ileq 10}inmathbb{R}^{10}rightarrow (x_i)_{ileq 5}inmathbb{R}^5$.
In $V$, there is a polynomial $q$ that admits the roots $u_1,cdots,u_k,v'_1,cdots,v'_{5-k}$ where the $v'_i$ have $<0$ real part. It suffices to consider a small perturbation of $psi^{-1}(phi(q),0_5)$ (in order to obtain distinct roots). $square$
For a generic $A$, $rank(Df_A)=5$ and we may use the above proposition. Unfortunately, in general, $rank(Df_A)geq 3$ and, in particular, $rank(Df_A)=3$ when the $(a_i),(b_j)$ are $0$.
In this last case, despite many random tests, I did not find small variations that send $A$ to an element of $mathcal{H}$.
Thanks for your answer. May I ask how you compute the rank of the differential? Do you computer the formula for characteristic polynomial and then look at the differential matrix? Or is there some clever way to see it?
– user9527
Nov 15 at 0:01
No, I calculate the coefficients of the characteristic polynomial.
– loup blanc
Nov 15 at 11:10
Thanks for the bounty.
– loup blanc
4 hours ago
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A partial answer.
Let $A=((a_i),(b_i))in star$.
Let $f:(a_i),(b_i)inmathbb{R}^{10}rightarrow chi_A(x)in Zapprox mathbb{R}^5$,
where $Z$ is the set of monic real polynomials of degree $5$.
$textbf{Proposition}$. If $Ainmathcal{E},rank(Df_A)=5$, then there is a sequence in $mathcal{H}$ that tends to $A$.
$textbf{Proof}$. There are a neighborhood $U$ of $(a_i,b_j)$ and a neighborhood $V$ of $chi_A$ -a polynomial that admits roots $u_1,cdots,u_k$ with $<0$ real part and roots $v_1,cdots,v_{5-k}$ with $0$ real part- and charts $psi,phi$ of $U,V$ s.t.
$psi^{-1}circ fcircphi$ is the projection $(x_i)_{ileq 10}inmathbb{R}^{10}rightarrow (x_i)_{ileq 5}inmathbb{R}^5$.
In $V$, there is a polynomial $q$ that admits the roots $u_1,cdots,u_k,v'_1,cdots,v'_{5-k}$ where the $v'_i$ have $<0$ real part. It suffices to consider a small perturbation of $psi^{-1}(phi(q),0_5)$ (in order to obtain distinct roots). $square$
For a generic $A$, $rank(Df_A)=5$ and we may use the above proposition. Unfortunately, in general, $rank(Df_A)geq 3$ and, in particular, $rank(Df_A)=3$ when the $(a_i),(b_j)$ are $0$.
In this last case, despite many random tests, I did not find small variations that send $A$ to an element of $mathcal{H}$.
Thanks for your answer. May I ask how you compute the rank of the differential? Do you computer the formula for characteristic polynomial and then look at the differential matrix? Or is there some clever way to see it?
– user9527
Nov 15 at 0:01
No, I calculate the coefficients of the characteristic polynomial.
– loup blanc
Nov 15 at 11:10
Thanks for the bounty.
– loup blanc
4 hours ago
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A partial answer.
Let $A=((a_i),(b_i))in star$.
Let $f:(a_i),(b_i)inmathbb{R}^{10}rightarrow chi_A(x)in Zapprox mathbb{R}^5$,
where $Z$ is the set of monic real polynomials of degree $5$.
$textbf{Proposition}$. If $Ainmathcal{E},rank(Df_A)=5$, then there is a sequence in $mathcal{H}$ that tends to $A$.
$textbf{Proof}$. There are a neighborhood $U$ of $(a_i,b_j)$ and a neighborhood $V$ of $chi_A$ -a polynomial that admits roots $u_1,cdots,u_k$ with $<0$ real part and roots $v_1,cdots,v_{5-k}$ with $0$ real part- and charts $psi,phi$ of $U,V$ s.t.
$psi^{-1}circ fcircphi$ is the projection $(x_i)_{ileq 10}inmathbb{R}^{10}rightarrow (x_i)_{ileq 5}inmathbb{R}^5$.
In $V$, there is a polynomial $q$ that admits the roots $u_1,cdots,u_k,v'_1,cdots,v'_{5-k}$ where the $v'_i$ have $<0$ real part. It suffices to consider a small perturbation of $psi^{-1}(phi(q),0_5)$ (in order to obtain distinct roots). $square$
For a generic $A$, $rank(Df_A)=5$ and we may use the above proposition. Unfortunately, in general, $rank(Df_A)geq 3$ and, in particular, $rank(Df_A)=3$ when the $(a_i),(b_j)$ are $0$.
In this last case, despite many random tests, I did not find small variations that send $A$ to an element of $mathcal{H}$.
A partial answer.
Let $A=((a_i),(b_i))in star$.
Let $f:(a_i),(b_i)inmathbb{R}^{10}rightarrow chi_A(x)in Zapprox mathbb{R}^5$,
where $Z$ is the set of monic real polynomials of degree $5$.
$textbf{Proposition}$. If $Ainmathcal{E},rank(Df_A)=5$, then there is a sequence in $mathcal{H}$ that tends to $A$.
$textbf{Proof}$. There are a neighborhood $U$ of $(a_i,b_j)$ and a neighborhood $V$ of $chi_A$ -a polynomial that admits roots $u_1,cdots,u_k$ with $<0$ real part and roots $v_1,cdots,v_{5-k}$ with $0$ real part- and charts $psi,phi$ of $U,V$ s.t.
$psi^{-1}circ fcircphi$ is the projection $(x_i)_{ileq 10}inmathbb{R}^{10}rightarrow (x_i)_{ileq 5}inmathbb{R}^5$.
In $V$, there is a polynomial $q$ that admits the roots $u_1,cdots,u_k,v'_1,cdots,v'_{5-k}$ where the $v'_i$ have $<0$ real part. It suffices to consider a small perturbation of $psi^{-1}(phi(q),0_5)$ (in order to obtain distinct roots). $square$
For a generic $A$, $rank(Df_A)=5$ and we may use the above proposition. Unfortunately, in general, $rank(Df_A)geq 3$ and, in particular, $rank(Df_A)=3$ when the $(a_i),(b_j)$ are $0$.
In this last case, despite many random tests, I did not find small variations that send $A$ to an element of $mathcal{H}$.
answered Nov 14 at 14:43
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Thanks for your answer. May I ask how you compute the rank of the differential? Do you computer the formula for characteristic polynomial and then look at the differential matrix? Or is there some clever way to see it?
– user9527
Nov 15 at 0:01
No, I calculate the coefficients of the characteristic polynomial.
– loup blanc
Nov 15 at 11:10
Thanks for the bounty.
– loup blanc
4 hours ago
add a comment |
Thanks for your answer. May I ask how you compute the rank of the differential? Do you computer the formula for characteristic polynomial and then look at the differential matrix? Or is there some clever way to see it?
– user9527
Nov 15 at 0:01
No, I calculate the coefficients of the characteristic polynomial.
– loup blanc
Nov 15 at 11:10
Thanks for the bounty.
– loup blanc
4 hours ago
Thanks for your answer. May I ask how you compute the rank of the differential? Do you computer the formula for characteristic polynomial and then look at the differential matrix? Or is there some clever way to see it?
– user9527
Nov 15 at 0:01
Thanks for your answer. May I ask how you compute the rank of the differential? Do you computer the formula for characteristic polynomial and then look at the differential matrix? Or is there some clever way to see it?
– user9527
Nov 15 at 0:01
No, I calculate the coefficients of the characteristic polynomial.
– loup blanc
Nov 15 at 11:10
No, I calculate the coefficients of the characteristic polynomial.
– loup blanc
Nov 15 at 11:10
Thanks for the bounty.
– loup blanc
4 hours ago
Thanks for the bounty.
– loup blanc
4 hours ago
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