Study the convergence of the sequence $f_n(x)=frac{x-n}{x^2}cdotchi_{(n,+infty)}(x)$
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For every $ninmathbb{N^+}$, let $f_n:(0,+infty)tomathbb{R}$ be as defined:
$$f_n(x)=frac{x-n}{x^2}cdotchi_{(n,+infty)}(x).$$
Study the convergence of the sequence ${f_n}_{ninmathbb{N^+}}$ in $L^p((0,+infty))$.
The pointwise limit I think is $0$ because the indicator function on a smaller and smaller interval going to infinity.
Moreover, since $f_n(x)<0$ when $x<n$ so in this interval the indicator function is $0$, so the $L^1$ norm that is
$$int_n^{+infty}frac{1}{x}-frac{n}{x^2}dx=(frac{n}{x}+mathrm{log}(x)|_n^{+infty}=+infty$$
Since the $L^1$ norm is not finite, can we conclude that the sequence does not converge weakly (and so strongly) in $L^1$?
Moreover, can we say that the $L^p$ norms are also infinite?
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For every $ninmathbb{N^+}$, let $f_n:(0,+infty)tomathbb{R}$ be as defined:
$$f_n(x)=frac{x-n}{x^2}cdotchi_{(n,+infty)}(x).$$
Study the convergence of the sequence ${f_n}_{ninmathbb{N^+}}$ in $L^p((0,+infty))$.
The pointwise limit I think is $0$ because the indicator function on a smaller and smaller interval going to infinity.
Moreover, since $f_n(x)<0$ when $x<n$ so in this interval the indicator function is $0$, so the $L^1$ norm that is
$$int_n^{+infty}frac{1}{x}-frac{n}{x^2}dx=(frac{n}{x}+mathrm{log}(x)|_n^{+infty}=+infty$$
Since the $L^1$ norm is not finite, can we conclude that the sequence does not converge weakly (and so strongly) in $L^1$?
Moreover, can we say that the $L^p$ norms are also infinite?
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One has $f_n(x)leq x^{-1} chi_{(n,infty)}(x)$ and you can easily compute the $L^p$-norm of the right-hand side.
– MaoWao
Nov 14 at 15:52
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@sound wave, $f_n$ is positive and the $p$-th power is increasing on the positive reals, so $f_n(x)^pleq x^{-1/p}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)$.
– MaoWao
Nov 14 at 16:46
1
@MaoWao You're saying $f_n(x)le x^{-1}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)$ and $f_n(x)^ple x^{-1/p}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)$ at the same time, but $[x^{-1}]^pne x^{-1/p}$
– james watt
Nov 14 at 19:09
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@jameswatt, you're absolutely right, it should be $x^{-p}$ instead of $x^{-1/p}$ (which is better, as the latter would not be integrable)
– MaoWao
Nov 15 at 10:11
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@soundwave, of course you have to take the indicator function into account. And of course being positive and not taking strictly negative values is the same thing.
– MaoWao
Nov 15 at 10:14
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For every $ninmathbb{N^+}$, let $f_n:(0,+infty)tomathbb{R}$ be as defined:
$$f_n(x)=frac{x-n}{x^2}cdotchi_{(n,+infty)}(x).$$
Study the convergence of the sequence ${f_n}_{ninmathbb{N^+}}$ in $L^p((0,+infty))$.
The pointwise limit I think is $0$ because the indicator function on a smaller and smaller interval going to infinity.
Moreover, since $f_n(x)<0$ when $x<n$ so in this interval the indicator function is $0$, so the $L^1$ norm that is
$$int_n^{+infty}frac{1}{x}-frac{n}{x^2}dx=(frac{n}{x}+mathrm{log}(x)|_n^{+infty}=+infty$$
Since the $L^1$ norm is not finite, can we conclude that the sequence does not converge weakly (and so strongly) in $L^1$?
Moreover, can we say that the $L^p$ norms are also infinite?
functional-analysis functions sequence-of-function
For every $ninmathbb{N^+}$, let $f_n:(0,+infty)tomathbb{R}$ be as defined:
$$f_n(x)=frac{x-n}{x^2}cdotchi_{(n,+infty)}(x).$$
Study the convergence of the sequence ${f_n}_{ninmathbb{N^+}}$ in $L^p((0,+infty))$.
The pointwise limit I think is $0$ because the indicator function on a smaller and smaller interval going to infinity.
Moreover, since $f_n(x)<0$ when $x<n$ so in this interval the indicator function is $0$, so the $L^1$ norm that is
$$int_n^{+infty}frac{1}{x}-frac{n}{x^2}dx=(frac{n}{x}+mathrm{log}(x)|_n^{+infty}=+infty$$
Since the $L^1$ norm is not finite, can we conclude that the sequence does not converge weakly (and so strongly) in $L^1$?
Moreover, can we say that the $L^p$ norms are also infinite?
functional-analysis functions sequence-of-function
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asked Nov 14 at 14:10
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One has $f_n(x)leq x^{-1} chi_{(n,infty)}(x)$ and you can easily compute the $L^p$-norm of the right-hand side.
– MaoWao
Nov 14 at 15:52
1
@sound wave, $f_n$ is positive and the $p$-th power is increasing on the positive reals, so $f_n(x)^pleq x^{-1/p}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)$.
– MaoWao
Nov 14 at 16:46
1
@MaoWao You're saying $f_n(x)le x^{-1}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)$ and $f_n(x)^ple x^{-1/p}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)$ at the same time, but $[x^{-1}]^pne x^{-1/p}$
– james watt
Nov 14 at 19:09
2
@jameswatt, you're absolutely right, it should be $x^{-p}$ instead of $x^{-1/p}$ (which is better, as the latter would not be integrable)
– MaoWao
Nov 15 at 10:11
1
@soundwave, of course you have to take the indicator function into account. And of course being positive and not taking strictly negative values is the same thing.
– MaoWao
Nov 15 at 10:14
|
show 6 more comments
1
One has $f_n(x)leq x^{-1} chi_{(n,infty)}(x)$ and you can easily compute the $L^p$-norm of the right-hand side.
– MaoWao
Nov 14 at 15:52
1
@sound wave, $f_n$ is positive and the $p$-th power is increasing on the positive reals, so $f_n(x)^pleq x^{-1/p}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)$.
– MaoWao
Nov 14 at 16:46
1
@MaoWao You're saying $f_n(x)le x^{-1}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)$ and $f_n(x)^ple x^{-1/p}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)$ at the same time, but $[x^{-1}]^pne x^{-1/p}$
– james watt
Nov 14 at 19:09
2
@jameswatt, you're absolutely right, it should be $x^{-p}$ instead of $x^{-1/p}$ (which is better, as the latter would not be integrable)
– MaoWao
Nov 15 at 10:11
1
@soundwave, of course you have to take the indicator function into account. And of course being positive and not taking strictly negative values is the same thing.
– MaoWao
Nov 15 at 10:14
1
1
One has $f_n(x)leq x^{-1} chi_{(n,infty)}(x)$ and you can easily compute the $L^p$-norm of the right-hand side.
– MaoWao
Nov 14 at 15:52
One has $f_n(x)leq x^{-1} chi_{(n,infty)}(x)$ and you can easily compute the $L^p$-norm of the right-hand side.
– MaoWao
Nov 14 at 15:52
1
1
@sound wave, $f_n$ is positive and the $p$-th power is increasing on the positive reals, so $f_n(x)^pleq x^{-1/p}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)$.
– MaoWao
Nov 14 at 16:46
@sound wave, $f_n$ is positive and the $p$-th power is increasing on the positive reals, so $f_n(x)^pleq x^{-1/p}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)$.
– MaoWao
Nov 14 at 16:46
1
1
@MaoWao You're saying $f_n(x)le x^{-1}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)$ and $f_n(x)^ple x^{-1/p}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)$ at the same time, but $[x^{-1}]^pne x^{-1/p}$
– james watt
Nov 14 at 19:09
@MaoWao You're saying $f_n(x)le x^{-1}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)$ and $f_n(x)^ple x^{-1/p}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)$ at the same time, but $[x^{-1}]^pne x^{-1/p}$
– james watt
Nov 14 at 19:09
2
2
@jameswatt, you're absolutely right, it should be $x^{-p}$ instead of $x^{-1/p}$ (which is better, as the latter would not be integrable)
– MaoWao
Nov 15 at 10:11
@jameswatt, you're absolutely right, it should be $x^{-p}$ instead of $x^{-1/p}$ (which is better, as the latter would not be integrable)
– MaoWao
Nov 15 at 10:11
1
1
@soundwave, of course you have to take the indicator function into account. And of course being positive and not taking strictly negative values is the same thing.
– MaoWao
Nov 15 at 10:14
@soundwave, of course you have to take the indicator function into account. And of course being positive and not taking strictly negative values is the same thing.
– MaoWao
Nov 15 at 10:14
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First note that $f_n(x)leq x^{-1}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)$, so we don't have to take powers of the sum in the numerator.
If $xleq n$, then $f_n(x)=0$ because of the indicator function. If $x>n$, then $x-n>0$ and thus $f_n(x)>0$. In any case, $f_n(x)geq 0$. Hence $f_n(x)^pleq x^{-p}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)$.
Now you can either compute $int_n^infty x^{-p},dx$ and see that it converges to zero, or, if you are as lazy as me and already know that $x^{-p}$ is integrable at $infty$, you can just evoke the dominated convergence theorem (clearly $x^{-p}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)to 0$ pointwise and $x^{-p}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)leq x^{-p}chi_{(1,infty)}(x)$).
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First note that $f_n(x)leq x^{-1}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)$, so we don't have to take powers of the sum in the numerator.
If $xleq n$, then $f_n(x)=0$ because of the indicator function. If $x>n$, then $x-n>0$ and thus $f_n(x)>0$. In any case, $f_n(x)geq 0$. Hence $f_n(x)^pleq x^{-p}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)$.
Now you can either compute $int_n^infty x^{-p},dx$ and see that it converges to zero, or, if you are as lazy as me and already know that $x^{-p}$ is integrable at $infty$, you can just evoke the dominated convergence theorem (clearly $x^{-p}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)to 0$ pointwise and $x^{-p}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)leq x^{-p}chi_{(1,infty)}(x)$).
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First note that $f_n(x)leq x^{-1}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)$, so we don't have to take powers of the sum in the numerator.
If $xleq n$, then $f_n(x)=0$ because of the indicator function. If $x>n$, then $x-n>0$ and thus $f_n(x)>0$. In any case, $f_n(x)geq 0$. Hence $f_n(x)^pleq x^{-p}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)$.
Now you can either compute $int_n^infty x^{-p},dx$ and see that it converges to zero, or, if you are as lazy as me and already know that $x^{-p}$ is integrable at $infty$, you can just evoke the dominated convergence theorem (clearly $x^{-p}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)to 0$ pointwise and $x^{-p}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)leq x^{-p}chi_{(1,infty)}(x)$).
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First note that $f_n(x)leq x^{-1}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)$, so we don't have to take powers of the sum in the numerator.
If $xleq n$, then $f_n(x)=0$ because of the indicator function. If $x>n$, then $x-n>0$ and thus $f_n(x)>0$. In any case, $f_n(x)geq 0$. Hence $f_n(x)^pleq x^{-p}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)$.
Now you can either compute $int_n^infty x^{-p},dx$ and see that it converges to zero, or, if you are as lazy as me and already know that $x^{-p}$ is integrable at $infty$, you can just evoke the dominated convergence theorem (clearly $x^{-p}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)to 0$ pointwise and $x^{-p}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)leq x^{-p}chi_{(1,infty)}(x)$).
First note that $f_n(x)leq x^{-1}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)$, so we don't have to take powers of the sum in the numerator.
If $xleq n$, then $f_n(x)=0$ because of the indicator function. If $x>n$, then $x-n>0$ and thus $f_n(x)>0$. In any case, $f_n(x)geq 0$. Hence $f_n(x)^pleq x^{-p}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)$.
Now you can either compute $int_n^infty x^{-p},dx$ and see that it converges to zero, or, if you are as lazy as me and already know that $x^{-p}$ is integrable at $infty$, you can just evoke the dominated convergence theorem (clearly $x^{-p}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)to 0$ pointwise and $x^{-p}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)leq x^{-p}chi_{(1,infty)}(x)$).
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One has $f_n(x)leq x^{-1} chi_{(n,infty)}(x)$ and you can easily compute the $L^p$-norm of the right-hand side.
– MaoWao
Nov 14 at 15:52
1
@sound wave, $f_n$ is positive and the $p$-th power is increasing on the positive reals, so $f_n(x)^pleq x^{-1/p}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)$.
– MaoWao
Nov 14 at 16:46
1
@MaoWao You're saying $f_n(x)le x^{-1}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)$ and $f_n(x)^ple x^{-1/p}chi_{(n,infty)}(x)$ at the same time, but $[x^{-1}]^pne x^{-1/p}$
– james watt
Nov 14 at 19:09
2
@jameswatt, you're absolutely right, it should be $x^{-p}$ instead of $x^{-1/p}$ (which is better, as the latter would not be integrable)
– MaoWao
Nov 15 at 10:11
1
@soundwave, of course you have to take the indicator function into account. And of course being positive and not taking strictly negative values is the same thing.
– MaoWao
Nov 15 at 10:14