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For weapons like the spear that have the Thrown property, can a Rogue use sneak attack with them?

Thrown is considered a ranged attack and Sneak Attack specifies that "The attack must use a finesse or ranged weapon."

Does this mean a rogue could potentially apply Sneak Attack to an attack using a spear as it is technically a ranged weapon? If so, would this also work if you were using the spear in melee?






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For weapons like the spear that have the Thrown property, can a Rogue use sneak attack with them?

Thrown is considered a ranged attack and Sneak Attack specifies that "The attack must use a finesse or ranged weapon."

Does this mean a rogue could potentially apply Sneak Attack to an attack using a spear as it is technically a ranged weapon? If so, would this also work if you were using the spear in melee?






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For weapons like the spear that have the Thrown property, can a Rogue use sneak attack with them?

Thrown is considered a ranged attack and Sneak Attack specifies that "The attack must use a finesse or ranged weapon."

Does this mean a rogue could potentially apply Sneak Attack to an attack using a spear as it is technically a ranged weapon? If so, would this also work if you were using the spear in melee?






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For weapons like the spear that have the Thrown property, can a Rogue use sneak attack with them?

Thrown is considered a ranged attack and Sneak Attack specifies that "The attack must use a finesse or ranged weapon."

Does this mean a rogue could potentially apply Sneak Attack to an attack using a spear as it is technically a ranged weapon? If so, would this also work if you were using the spear in melee?






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Sneak Attack does not work with melee weapons that have the thrown property, but lack the finesse property



The Rogue's Sneak Attack feature states:




The attack must use a finesse or a ranged weapon.




A melee weapon cannot simultaneously be a ranged weapon, because as the Weapons section (PHB, p146) states:




Every weapon is classified as either melee or ranged.




In fact, a weapon must be listed in either the Simple or Martial Ranged Weapons tables to be considered a ranged weapon.



Moreover, the thrown property (PHB, p146) does not turn a melee weapon into a ranged weapon. It states:




If a weapon has the thrown property, you can throw the weapon to make a ranged attack. If the weapon is a melee weapon, you use the same ability modifier for that attack roll and damage roll that you would use for a melee attack with the weapon. For example, if you throw a handaxe, you use your Strength, but if you throw a dagger, you can use either your Strength or your Dexterity, since the dagger has the finesse property.




Making a ranged attack does not imply using a ranged weapon.



The thrown property allows you to make a ranged attack by throwing the melee weapon despite it being a melee weapon.



Whether or not you throw a melee weapon does not matter. If it lacks the finesse property, then it won't work with Sneak Attack.






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    +1 For thrown weapons are not ranged weapons. That is clearly the OP's misunderstanding and is absolutely the most important point.
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    "Making a ranged attack does imply using a ranged weapon." - I assume you mean "does not". I've edited it accordingly.
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No. A thrown weapon is not a ranged weapon for Sneak Attack.



TL;DR: A melee weapon does not become a ranged weapon even if you throw it, nor does it count as a ranged weapon.



This is also discussed in Miniman's answer to the question: "Are weapons with the “Thrown” property considered a “Ranged Weapon” for the purpose of sharpshooter?".



Like Sneak Attack, another class feature that requires a ranged weapon is the Archery fighting style. For that feature, there is a canonical answer regarding whether thrown weapons count as ranged weapons. Per the Sage Advice Compendium, they do not:




Does the Archery fighting style work with a melee weapon that you throw? No, the Archery feature benefits ranged weapons. A melee weapon, such as a dagger or handaxe, is still a melee weapon when you make a ranged attack with it.




So the spear in your example is not a ranged weapon, whether or not you throw it.






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    Darts are ranged weapons, even though they are thrown. They also have finesse though, so I guess it's moot!
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Sneak Attack does not work with melee weapons that have the thrown property, but lack the finesse property



The Rogue's Sneak Attack feature states:




The attack must use a finesse or a ranged weapon.




A melee weapon cannot simultaneously be a ranged weapon, because as the Weapons section (PHB, p146) states:




Every weapon is classified as either melee or ranged.




In fact, a weapon must be listed in either the Simple or Martial Ranged Weapons tables to be considered a ranged weapon.



Moreover, the thrown property (PHB, p146) does not turn a melee weapon into a ranged weapon. It states:




If a weapon has the thrown property, you can throw the weapon to make a ranged attack. If the weapon is a melee weapon, you use the same ability modifier for that attack roll and damage roll that you would use for a melee attack with the weapon. For example, if you throw a handaxe, you use your Strength, but if you throw a dagger, you can use either your Strength or your Dexterity, since the dagger has the finesse property.




Making a ranged attack does not imply using a ranged weapon.



The thrown property allows you to make a ranged attack by throwing the melee weapon despite it being a melee weapon.



Whether or not you throw a melee weapon does not matter. If it lacks the finesse property, then it won't work with Sneak Attack.






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    +1 For thrown weapons are not ranged weapons. That is clearly the OP's misunderstanding and is absolutely the most important point.
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    "Making a ranged attack does imply using a ranged weapon." - I assume you mean "does not". I've edited it accordingly.
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    @V2Blast those pesky "not"s... I don't know how they always manage to get away.
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Sneak Attack does not work with melee weapons that have the thrown property, but lack the finesse property



The Rogue's Sneak Attack feature states:




The attack must use a finesse or a ranged weapon.




A melee weapon cannot simultaneously be a ranged weapon, because as the Weapons section (PHB, p146) states:




Every weapon is classified as either melee or ranged.




In fact, a weapon must be listed in either the Simple or Martial Ranged Weapons tables to be considered a ranged weapon.



Moreover, the thrown property (PHB, p146) does not turn a melee weapon into a ranged weapon. It states:




If a weapon has the thrown property, you can throw the weapon to make a ranged attack. If the weapon is a melee weapon, you use the same ability modifier for that attack roll and damage roll that you would use for a melee attack with the weapon. For example, if you throw a handaxe, you use your Strength, but if you throw a dagger, you can use either your Strength or your Dexterity, since the dagger has the finesse property.




Making a ranged attack does not imply using a ranged weapon.



The thrown property allows you to make a ranged attack by throwing the melee weapon despite it being a melee weapon.



Whether or not you throw a melee weapon does not matter. If it lacks the finesse property, then it won't work with Sneak Attack.






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    +1 For thrown weapons are not ranged weapons. That is clearly the OP's misunderstanding and is absolutely the most important point.
    $endgroup$
    – linksassin
    Apr 10 at 23:29










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    "Making a ranged attack does imply using a ranged weapon." - I assume you mean "does not". I've edited it accordingly.
    $endgroup$
    – V2Blast
    Apr 11 at 3:50












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    @V2Blast those pesky "not"s... I don't know how they always manage to get away.
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    – Ruse
    Apr 11 at 7:58






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    Were you using the "Forget-me" nots by mistake? :P
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    – Dave B
    Apr 11 at 17:47














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Sneak Attack does not work with melee weapons that have the thrown property, but lack the finesse property



The Rogue's Sneak Attack feature states:




The attack must use a finesse or a ranged weapon.




A melee weapon cannot simultaneously be a ranged weapon, because as the Weapons section (PHB, p146) states:




Every weapon is classified as either melee or ranged.




In fact, a weapon must be listed in either the Simple or Martial Ranged Weapons tables to be considered a ranged weapon.



Moreover, the thrown property (PHB, p146) does not turn a melee weapon into a ranged weapon. It states:




If a weapon has the thrown property, you can throw the weapon to make a ranged attack. If the weapon is a melee weapon, you use the same ability modifier for that attack roll and damage roll that you would use for a melee attack with the weapon. For example, if you throw a handaxe, you use your Strength, but if you throw a dagger, you can use either your Strength or your Dexterity, since the dagger has the finesse property.




Making a ranged attack does not imply using a ranged weapon.



The thrown property allows you to make a ranged attack by throwing the melee weapon despite it being a melee weapon.



Whether or not you throw a melee weapon does not matter. If it lacks the finesse property, then it won't work with Sneak Attack.






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Sneak Attack does not work with melee weapons that have the thrown property, but lack the finesse property



The Rogue's Sneak Attack feature states:




The attack must use a finesse or a ranged weapon.




A melee weapon cannot simultaneously be a ranged weapon, because as the Weapons section (PHB, p146) states:




Every weapon is classified as either melee or ranged.




In fact, a weapon must be listed in either the Simple or Martial Ranged Weapons tables to be considered a ranged weapon.



Moreover, the thrown property (PHB, p146) does not turn a melee weapon into a ranged weapon. It states:




If a weapon has the thrown property, you can throw the weapon to make a ranged attack. If the weapon is a melee weapon, you use the same ability modifier for that attack roll and damage roll that you would use for a melee attack with the weapon. For example, if you throw a handaxe, you use your Strength, but if you throw a dagger, you can use either your Strength or your Dexterity, since the dagger has the finesse property.




Making a ranged attack does not imply using a ranged weapon.



The thrown property allows you to make a ranged attack by throwing the melee weapon despite it being a melee weapon.



Whether or not you throw a melee weapon does not matter. If it lacks the finesse property, then it won't work with Sneak Attack.







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    +1 For thrown weapons are not ranged weapons. That is clearly the OP's misunderstanding and is absolutely the most important point.
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    "Making a ranged attack does imply using a ranged weapon." - I assume you mean "does not". I've edited it accordingly.
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    @V2Blast those pesky "not"s... I don't know how they always manage to get away.
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    Were you using the "Forget-me" nots by mistake? :P
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    +1 For thrown weapons are not ranged weapons. That is clearly the OP's misunderstanding and is absolutely the most important point.
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    "Making a ranged attack does imply using a ranged weapon." - I assume you mean "does not". I've edited it accordingly.
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    – V2Blast
    Apr 11 at 3:50












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    @V2Blast those pesky "not"s... I don't know how they always manage to get away.
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    – Ruse
    Apr 11 at 7:58






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    Were you using the "Forget-me" nots by mistake? :P
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+1 For thrown weapons are not ranged weapons. That is clearly the OP's misunderstanding and is absolutely the most important point.
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– linksassin
Apr 10 at 23:29




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+1 For thrown weapons are not ranged weapons. That is clearly the OP's misunderstanding and is absolutely the most important point.
$endgroup$
– linksassin
Apr 10 at 23:29












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"Making a ranged attack does imply using a ranged weapon." - I assume you mean "does not". I've edited it accordingly.
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"Making a ranged attack does imply using a ranged weapon." - I assume you mean "does not". I've edited it accordingly.
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Apr 11 at 3:50














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@V2Blast those pesky "not"s... I don't know how they always manage to get away.
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Were you using the "Forget-me" nots by mistake? :P
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No. A thrown weapon is not a ranged weapon for Sneak Attack.



TL;DR: A melee weapon does not become a ranged weapon even if you throw it, nor does it count as a ranged weapon.



This is also discussed in Miniman's answer to the question: "Are weapons with the “Thrown” property considered a “Ranged Weapon” for the purpose of sharpshooter?".



Like Sneak Attack, another class feature that requires a ranged weapon is the Archery fighting style. For that feature, there is a canonical answer regarding whether thrown weapons count as ranged weapons. Per the Sage Advice Compendium, they do not:




Does the Archery fighting style work with a melee weapon that you throw? No, the Archery feature benefits ranged weapons. A melee weapon, such as a dagger or handaxe, is still a melee weapon when you make a ranged attack with it.




So the spear in your example is not a ranged weapon, whether or not you throw it.






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    Darts are ranged weapons, even though they are thrown. They also have finesse though, so I guess it's moot!
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    – Nick
    Apr 11 at 13:37
















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No. A thrown weapon is not a ranged weapon for Sneak Attack.



TL;DR: A melee weapon does not become a ranged weapon even if you throw it, nor does it count as a ranged weapon.



This is also discussed in Miniman's answer to the question: "Are weapons with the “Thrown” property considered a “Ranged Weapon” for the purpose of sharpshooter?".



Like Sneak Attack, another class feature that requires a ranged weapon is the Archery fighting style. For that feature, there is a canonical answer regarding whether thrown weapons count as ranged weapons. Per the Sage Advice Compendium, they do not:




Does the Archery fighting style work with a melee weapon that you throw? No, the Archery feature benefits ranged weapons. A melee weapon, such as a dagger or handaxe, is still a melee weapon when you make a ranged attack with it.




So the spear in your example is not a ranged weapon, whether or not you throw it.






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    Darts are ranged weapons, even though they are thrown. They also have finesse though, so I guess it's moot!
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    – Nick
    Apr 11 at 13:37














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No. A thrown weapon is not a ranged weapon for Sneak Attack.



TL;DR: A melee weapon does not become a ranged weapon even if you throw it, nor does it count as a ranged weapon.



This is also discussed in Miniman's answer to the question: "Are weapons with the “Thrown” property considered a “Ranged Weapon” for the purpose of sharpshooter?".



Like Sneak Attack, another class feature that requires a ranged weapon is the Archery fighting style. For that feature, there is a canonical answer regarding whether thrown weapons count as ranged weapons. Per the Sage Advice Compendium, they do not:




Does the Archery fighting style work with a melee weapon that you throw? No, the Archery feature benefits ranged weapons. A melee weapon, such as a dagger or handaxe, is still a melee weapon when you make a ranged attack with it.




So the spear in your example is not a ranged weapon, whether or not you throw it.






share|improve this answer











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No. A thrown weapon is not a ranged weapon for Sneak Attack.



TL;DR: A melee weapon does not become a ranged weapon even if you throw it, nor does it count as a ranged weapon.



This is also discussed in Miniman's answer to the question: "Are weapons with the “Thrown” property considered a “Ranged Weapon” for the purpose of sharpshooter?".



Like Sneak Attack, another class feature that requires a ranged weapon is the Archery fighting style. For that feature, there is a canonical answer regarding whether thrown weapons count as ranged weapons. Per the Sage Advice Compendium, they do not:




Does the Archery fighting style work with a melee weapon that you throw? No, the Archery feature benefits ranged weapons. A melee weapon, such as a dagger or handaxe, is still a melee weapon when you make a ranged attack with it.




So the spear in your example is not a ranged weapon, whether or not you throw it.







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    Darts are ranged weapons, even though they are thrown. They also have finesse though, so I guess it's moot!
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    Darts are ranged weapons, even though they are thrown. They also have finesse though, so I guess it's moot!
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Darts are ranged weapons, even though they are thrown. They also have finesse though, so I guess it's moot!
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Darts are ranged weapons, even though they are thrown. They also have finesse though, so I guess it's moot!
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Plaza Victoria Plaza Victoria en 2017 Otros nombres Plaza de La Victoria Localización El Almendral, Valparaíso, Chile Vías adyacentes Chacabuco, Molina, Plaza Victoria y Edwards Creación 1841 Metro Bellavista Ubicación 33°02′46″S 71°37′11″O  /  -33.04624167, -71.61980833 Coordenadas: 33°02′46″S 71°37′11″O  /  -33.04624167, -71.61980833 [editar datos en Wikidata] La Plaza Victoria , también llamada Plaza de la Victoria , [ 1 ] ​ es una plaza ubicada en el sector El Almendral del plan de la ciudad de Valparaíso, Chile, de importancia patrimonial, que incluye valiosas estatuas y especies vegetales. [ 2 ] ​ La plaza se creó como tal en la primera mitad del siglo XIX, tomando previamente los nombres de Plaza Nueva y Plaza de Orrego . Si bien desde sus inicios tuvo relevancia histórica, no fue sino a partir de fines de los años 1860 cuando comenzó a cobrar mayor importancia y se convirtió en uno de los principales centros sociales de l
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In PowerPoint, is there a keyboard shortcut for bulleted / numbered list?

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.everyoneloves__top-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__mid-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__bot-mid-leaderboard:empty{ height:90px;width:728px;box-sizing:border-box; } 2 OneNote has two useful keyboard shortcuts for bulleted and numbered lists, namely Ctrl + . and Ctrl + - . Is there something similar for PowerPoint where the work with lists is also very common? Haven't found anything here: Use keyboard shortcuts in PowerPoint. keyboard-shortcuts microsoft-powerpoint share | improve this question edited Aug 14 '14 at 14:49 Linger 2,826 10 28 40
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How to put 3 figures in Latex with 2 figures side by side and 1 below these side by side images but in...

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1 0 I want to put 3 images in LateX such as 2 figures are side by side horizotally and 3rd figure below these 2 side by side figures but in middle. I have following code: begin{figure}[H] centering begin{minipage}{.5textwidth} centering includegraphics[width=.50linewidth]{Text/Images/Genelec_8010_AP.jpg} captionof{figure}{Genelec 8010 AP} label{fig:Genelec 8010} end{minipage}% begin{minipage}{.5textwidth} centering includegraphics[width=.69linewidth]{Text/Images/Genelec_8020_CPM.jpg} captionof{figure}{Genelec 8020 CPM} label{fig:Genelec 8020} end{minipage}% end{figure} %%Here is my 3rd picture code begin{figure} centering includegraphics[width=5cm]{Text/Images/Genelec_8030_BPM.jpg} caption{Genelec 8030 BPM} label{fig:Genelec 8030} end{figure} I want to ask ho
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