Are sorcerers unable to use the Careful Spell metamagic option on themselves?
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The sorcerer's Careful Spell metamagic option states the it applies to “other creatures”:
When you cast a spell that forces other creatures to make a saving
throw, you can protect some of those creatures from the spell full
force. To do so, you spend 1 sorcery point and choose a member of
those creatures up to your Charisma modifier (minimum of one
creature). A chosen creature automatically succeeds on its saving
throw against the spell.
Does that mean the caster can’t use it to protect himself from the effects of the spell if you happen to cast an AoE spell like ice storm?
dnd-5e spells sorcerer metamagic targeting
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The sorcerer's Careful Spell metamagic option states the it applies to “other creatures”:
When you cast a spell that forces other creatures to make a saving
throw, you can protect some of those creatures from the spell full
force. To do so, you spend 1 sorcery point and choose a member of
those creatures up to your Charisma modifier (minimum of one
creature). A chosen creature automatically succeeds on its saving
throw against the spell.
Does that mean the caster can’t use it to protect himself from the effects of the spell if you happen to cast an AoE spell like ice storm?
dnd-5e spells sorcerer metamagic targeting
edited Apr 20 at 4:09
V2Blast
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asked Apr 19 at 22:50
Jorge CórdobaJorge Córdoba
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The sorcerer's Careful Spell metamagic option states the it applies to “other creatures”:
When you cast a spell that forces other creatures to make a saving
throw, you can protect some of those creatures from the spell full
force. To do so, you spend 1 sorcery point and choose a member of
those creatures up to your Charisma modifier (minimum of one
creature). A chosen creature automatically succeeds on its saving
throw against the spell.
Does that mean the caster can’t use it to protect himself from the effects of the spell if you happen to cast an AoE spell like ice storm?
dnd-5e spells sorcerer metamagic targeting
edited Apr 20 at 4:09
V2Blast
27.8k598169
asked Apr 19 at 22:50
Jorge CórdobaJorge Córdoba
404315
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The sorcerer's Careful Spell metamagic option states the it applies to “other creatures”:
When you cast a spell that forces other creatures to make a saving
throw, you can protect some of those creatures from the spell full
force. To do so, you spend 1 sorcery point and choose a member of
those creatures up to your Charisma modifier (minimum of one
creature). A chosen creature automatically succeeds on its saving
throw against the spell.
Does that mean the caster can’t use it to protect himself from the effects of the spell if you happen to cast an AoE spell like ice storm?
dnd-5e spells sorcerer metamagic targeting
dnd-5e spells sorcerer metamagic targeting
edited Apr 20 at 4:09
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asked Apr 19 at 22:50
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edited Apr 20 at 4:09
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asked Apr 19 at 22:50
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edited Apr 20 at 4:09
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Yes, you can't protect yourself
The rule is consistent with using 'other creature' to mean 'you are not included', so with this wording you can't use Careful spell metamagic to protect yourself.
However,
I don't see any problem if you ruled the caster can be included. I've DM'ed and played sorcerer with Careful Spell allowed on themselves and there is no problem at all.
This seems intentional. The wording of Sculpt Spells from Evocation Wizard also suggest the same thing:
When you cast an evocation spell that affects other creatures that you can see, you can choose a number of them equal to 1 + the spell’s level.
and the tweet from Jeremy Crawford seems to suggest so
Careful Spell and Sculpt Spells work as intended.
answered Apr 19 at 23:32
VylixVylix
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I could argue that it is definitely intentional because at three different times it references other creatures. "Other creatures", "some of those creatures", "choose a number of those creatures"
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– Blake Steel
Apr 19 at 23:34
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@BlakeSteel no. The 'those creatures' refer to the group mentioned previously. The previous group has been defined with an error (excluding the caster), thus all references to the defined group is error. Both wording does not clarify better whether it's intentional or not.
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– Vylix
Apr 19 at 23:38
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Yes, you can't protect yourself
The rule is consistent with using 'other creature' to mean 'you are not included', so with this wording you can't use Careful spell metamagic to protect yourself.
However,
I don't see any problem if you ruled the caster can be included. I've DM'ed and played sorcerer with Careful Spell allowed on themselves and there is no problem at all.
This seems intentional. The wording of Sculpt Spells from Evocation Wizard also suggest the same thing:
When you cast an evocation spell that affects other creatures that you can see, you can choose a number of them equal to 1 + the spell’s level.
and the tweet from Jeremy Crawford seems to suggest so
Careful Spell and Sculpt Spells work as intended.
answered Apr 19 at 23:32
VylixVylix
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I could argue that it is definitely intentional because at three different times it references other creatures. "Other creatures", "some of those creatures", "choose a number of those creatures"
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– Blake Steel
Apr 19 at 23:34
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@BlakeSteel no. The 'those creatures' refer to the group mentioned previously. The previous group has been defined with an error (excluding the caster), thus all references to the defined group is error. Both wording does not clarify better whether it's intentional or not.
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– Vylix
Apr 19 at 23:38
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Yes, you can't protect yourself
The rule is consistent with using 'other creature' to mean 'you are not included', so with this wording you can't use Careful spell metamagic to protect yourself.
However,
I don't see any problem if you ruled the caster can be included. I've DM'ed and played sorcerer with Careful Spell allowed on themselves and there is no problem at all.
This seems intentional. The wording of Sculpt Spells from Evocation Wizard also suggest the same thing:
When you cast an evocation spell that affects other creatures that you can see, you can choose a number of them equal to 1 + the spell’s level.
and the tweet from Jeremy Crawford seems to suggest so
Careful Spell and Sculpt Spells work as intended.
answered Apr 19 at 23:32
VylixVylix
14.8k260164
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
I could argue that it is definitely intentional because at three different times it references other creatures. "Other creatures", "some of those creatures", "choose a number of those creatures"
$endgroup$
– Blake Steel
Apr 19 at 23:34
1
$begingroup$
@BlakeSteel no. The 'those creatures' refer to the group mentioned previously. The previous group has been defined with an error (excluding the caster), thus all references to the defined group is error. Both wording does not clarify better whether it's intentional or not.
$endgroup$
– Vylix
Apr 19 at 23:38
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Yes, you can't protect yourself
The rule is consistent with using 'other creature' to mean 'you are not included', so with this wording you can't use Careful spell metamagic to protect yourself.
However,
I don't see any problem if you ruled the caster can be included. I've DM'ed and played sorcerer with Careful Spell allowed on themselves and there is no problem at all.
This seems intentional. The wording of Sculpt Spells from Evocation Wizard also suggest the same thing:
When you cast an evocation spell that affects other creatures that you can see, you can choose a number of them equal to 1 + the spell’s level.
and the tweet from Jeremy Crawford seems to suggest so
Careful Spell and Sculpt Spells work as intended.
answered Apr 19 at 23:32
VylixVylix
14.8k260164
$endgroup$
Yes, you can't protect yourself
The rule is consistent with using 'other creature' to mean 'you are not included', so with this wording you can't use Careful spell metamagic to protect yourself.
However,
I don't see any problem if you ruled the caster can be included. I've DM'ed and played sorcerer with Careful Spell allowed on themselves and there is no problem at all.
This seems intentional. The wording of Sculpt Spells from Evocation Wizard also suggest the same thing:
When you cast an evocation spell that affects other creatures that you can see, you can choose a number of them equal to 1 + the spell’s level.
and the tweet from Jeremy Crawford seems to suggest so
Careful Spell and Sculpt Spells work as intended.
answered Apr 19 at 23:32
VylixVylix
14.8k260164
edited Apr 19 at 23:45
answered Apr 19 at 23:32
VylixVylix
14.8k260164
answered Apr 19 at 23:32
VylixVylix
14.8k260164
answered Apr 19 at 23:32
VylixVylix
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I could argue that it is definitely intentional because at three different times it references other creatures. "Other creatures", "some of those creatures", "choose a number of those creatures"
$endgroup$
– Blake Steel
Apr 19 at 23:34
1
$begingroup$
@BlakeSteel no. The 'those creatures' refer to the group mentioned previously. The previous group has been defined with an error (excluding the caster), thus all references to the defined group is error. Both wording does not clarify better whether it's intentional or not.
$endgroup$
– Vylix
Apr 19 at 23:38
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I could argue that it is definitely intentional because at three different times it references other creatures. "Other creatures", "some of those creatures", "choose a number of those creatures"
$endgroup$
– Blake Steel
Apr 19 at 23:34
1
$begingroup$
@BlakeSteel no. The 'those creatures' refer to the group mentioned previously. The previous group has been defined with an error (excluding the caster), thus all references to the defined group is error. Both wording does not clarify better whether it's intentional or not.
$endgroup$
– Vylix
Apr 19 at 23:38
$begingroup$
I could argue that it is definitely intentional because at three different times it references other creatures. "Other creatures", "some of those creatures", "choose a number of those creatures"
$endgroup$
– Blake Steel
Apr 19 at 23:34
$begingroup$
I could argue that it is definitely intentional because at three different times it references other creatures. "Other creatures", "some of those creatures", "choose a number of those creatures"
$endgroup$
– Blake Steel
Apr 19 at 23:34
1
1
$begingroup$
@BlakeSteel no. The 'those creatures' refer to the group mentioned previously. The previous group has been defined with an error (excluding the caster), thus all references to the defined group is error. Both wording does not clarify better whether it's intentional or not.
$endgroup$
– Vylix
Apr 19 at 23:38
$begingroup$
@BlakeSteel no. The 'those creatures' refer to the group mentioned previously. The previous group has been defined with an error (excluding the caster), thus all references to the defined group is error. Both wording does not clarify better whether it's intentional or not.
$endgroup$
– Vylix
Apr 19 at 23:38
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